How much does a loaded bottle car weight?
The data for this photo of INLX 154 says 870,000 lbs. [435 tons]:
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=44029
But since the car appears to have only 10 axles, I’m skeptical of that figure - that would be 87K per axle, way heavier than the usual 72K to 80K max. seen on AAR general service freight cars, esp. considering the tight curves and poor condition of a lot of steel mill trackage. Instead, I suspect the caption writer misunderstood/ mislabeled the numbers, and the Gross Weight is 520,000 lbs. [260 tons] or 52K per axle (about right in my opinion), a Light Weight of 350,000 lbs. [175 tons], for a payload of 170,000 lbs. [85 tons].
Data for these things is hard to come by, since it’s not usually stencilled on the sides of the ‘bottle’ - where it could be seen easily - because the heat would burn paint off really quickly.
See also this website from a Chinese manufacturer of them:
http://www.hpwygroup.com/Products_show.asp?id=54387&bigid=48&smid=87
- Paul North.
…Question on bottle cars…Over time, does molten metal get “built up” on the inside of these carriers, and If so…how would it be possible to remove the unwanted “metal” fastened to the innards of the “bottle”…?
I seem to recall that the Interlake Steel bottle cars (the IHB-NS move referenced by Sam) had been upgraded with 36-inch wheels and 100-ton axles. If that’s the fact, their truck configuration would allow a nominal capacity of 250 tons. Gross rail load would be 286000 X 10/4 (axles in this car divided by axles in a normal 286K GRL car), or 715000 pounds: about 357 tons.
If I’m mistaken, and the trucks are comprised of only “70-ton” wheelsets, there would still be a gross rail load of 550000 pounds–275 tons.
I recall watching trains at Dolton Junction one crisp January day when one of the bottle trains went by. Plenty of steam in the air, and a noticeable warmth from the cars as they passed.
Yes, the metal does build up aroind the pour spout at the top of the car. It is remobed by pneoumtic hammers. Some bottle cars have a capacity of 320 metric tons (704000 lbs) and ride on 18 axles, nine on each end of the car.
This 2008 “Steel Industry Forum” thread on “Bethlehem 330 T Torpedo” says that the largest in the US were Bethlehem Steel’s 330-Ton capacity cars, with a photo of one with 16 axles = 4 trucks of 4 axles each:
http://todengine.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3564282#post34418771
This recent (2011) Yahoo! group “STEEL” thread on "Bottle cars " says that that the cars were rated by the load weight, not the gross weight, and that the largest were Bethlehem’s 350-ton cars at Sparrows Point (Baltimore, MD):
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/STEEL/message/43623
I like the first line of that post by Rick Rowlands:
“There is actually a lot of bottle car info. available to me anyways, tucked away in my office. All that stuff is classified! J”
See also his 2007 post under the “Torpedo Car Roster” thread at:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/STEEL/message/17679 </
Is the reason that there is usually an empty gon in between bottle cars to spread them out a bit more, so that when crossing a bridge the load on the bridge is not as great?
Yes, thy do not want to exceed the load limit of the bridge and cause it to collapse. By the way the build up around the top of the bottlle car is called “Skull”.
That’s the most likely reason, but there are others (in no particular order):
- To give the trainmen a place to hang onto/ ride the cut, other than on the very hot bottle car;
- To give them a place to make a ‘cut’ to uncouple them, again other than right next to the very hot bottle car (although if there’s only a single gon as a spacer, then both ends of the gon would be next to one hot car or the other);
- So that there’s also an idler between the bottle car and the locomotive, for both weight-spreading and heat isolation/ insulation and hazardous-material/ situation separation purposes; and,
- So that in the event of a derailment, there’s a car other than a hot bottle car to be able to work next to or couple onto to drag it back over the rerailing frog, hump, or blocks, etc.
The intense heat emanating from those things and similar hot ingot cars, etc., which necessitates the use of spacer cars for that purpose, has to be felt to be believed and understood - and it’s a good way to demonstrate the ‘wave’ nature of heat, light, and other electromagnetic radiation. I’ve stood a good hundred feet from an ingot car on a cold late January afternoon in about 20 deg. F and 20 MPH winds, and my face was slowly baking, while my back was pretty darn cold. That’s a very compelling way to illustrate how a lot of heat can be transferred through and across a lot of cold air, without warming that air up very much ! And when we had to do emergency trackwork in such conditions, we’d ask the steel mill to park one nearby (preferably upwind where possible), to help the laborers keep warm and also to thaw the frozen ballast and mud !
Bottle cars are also known as ladle, torpedo, submarine, and Themos cars, among other monickers - seems to be a regional thing as to the local preference.
- Paul North.
Having had the opportunity to watch Erie-Lackawanna work at rerailing a derailed bottle car at the Haselton area of Youngstown, OH - I can vouch for the difficulty in coaxing the loaded bottle car back on the track - using two 200 Ton wreck cranes - not the traditional wood blocking and replacer frogs. I can vouch for Paul North’s statements about the heat emanating from the bottle car and the facts that those that had to be close to the car to perform their duties - weren’t there a second longer than they had to be.
I’m guessing though if a bottle car derails it’s gonna be a while until it gets back on track - so in that time the steel inside of it would have cooled significantly making it a nightmare then for the steel mill, but much easier for the RR, correct?
Unless a bottle car is in a steel plant the opening at the top is usually covered iwth a special reflective material that keeps the heat in. Covered hey can stay hot up to 24 hours. If the steel does harden they just scrp the car, because it is totally useless.
The photo of the 4-truck 16-axle car is amazing! Thank You.
I am not involved in the steel industry, with that being said, the bottle cars are insulated so the heat of the molten steel can stay in the molten mass. If a $20 plastic cooler can keep ice, mostly ice for 24 hours - I am certain the insulation and car construction of the bottle cars would keep the steel pourable for a much longer period of time than 24 hours. Most bottle runs are short distance…the one that originated at Haselton terminated in a plant at Warren, OH - about 18 miles from the point of origin. Many of the other runs that have been mentioned were intra-plant moves within the confines of the entire steel making facility (such plants can cover several square miles).
Railroads involved in moving bottle cars are well aware of the time sensitive nature of the lading and respond immediately when a incident occurs. In the Haselton-Warren business, EL had wreck cranes stationed at Haselton and at Warren and could quickly get both to the scene of any incident and thus normally have one on either end of the car(s) involved.
Links to still photos and a 2 min. 56 sec. video (neither are mine) from 1992 of filling and switching a bottle car at the Bethlehem Plant of Bethlehem Steel Co.:
http://home.comcast.net/~steelmanjules/fillhotmetal_page.html
I have a lot of pictures of all sizes of hot metal cars. The original paint burns off of them VERY quickly and mny look rested after only a month.
Why bother even painting them in the first place? It would make more sense to engrave car numbers and other information on them.
While engraving would work, many melt a welding rod on the sides, moving it like a pencil to “write” the car number in steel.
They are pinted at the factory. Why I do not know because its gone very quickly