California Zephyr.........the Mafia door.

[CMStPnP]

So they really did use that back door. All this time I thought it was more or less like a hood ornament. This was taken at Glenwood Springs, CO on the D&RGW.

[daveklepper]

Wow! Thanks

[Flintlock76]

Now THAT’S something I never expected to see! I thought those rear doors were just emergency exits and never used for any other purpose.

See? It’s a wasted day if you don’t learn something new!

[BaltACD]

If it is on a train/car/locomotive - per the FRA - it must be operational.

As I recall the MILW Skytop Observation cars ran afoul of a requirement to have ‘rear’ exit on the cars.

[SD70Dude]

As I recall the MILW Skytop Observation cars ran afoul of a requirement to have ‘rear’ exit on the cars.

That happened in Canada too some time after CN bought them, which is why they were retired and never made it to VIA.

[CMStPnP]

As I recall the MILW Skytop Observation cars ran afoul of a requirement to have ‘rear’ exit on the cars.

So that explains the strange exit window they have now towards the rear of the car. So why didn’t the Milwaukee fix that? Was it grandfathered in or is that Exit window use newer technology that was not available back then?

Just curious.

[MidlandMike]

Photos of the door I have seen show a bar across the back door. It looked like it needed to be unlocked from the outside.

[BaltACD]

BaltACD
As I recall the MILW Skytop Observation cars ran afoul of a requirement to have ‘rear’ exit on the cars.

So that explains the strange exit window they have now towards the rear of the car. So why didn’t the Milwaukee fix that? Was it grandfathered in or is that Exit window use newer technology that was not available back then?

Just curious.

I could be mistaken, I believe the requirements being applied to the Skytop cars happened AFTER the start of Amtrak, thus MILW was out of the passenger business and I believe the cars had moved on to the CN by that time. What the Canadian regulations are, I have no idea;

[54light15]

How does the term “mafia” apply?

[CMStPnP]

How does the term “mafia” apply?

It’s slang…

The Mafia prefers sometimes to enter from the rear of an establishment if they can because they want the best view with no surprises when they enter an establishment or space. Also entering from the front if there is a line out front, everyone sees you in the line and your more exposed. Take a table in an establishment as far in the rear as possible with a view of the main entrance door and a wall at your back…I think that is where it comes from. [:D]

[aegrotatio]

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[Overmod]

Scenic picture with the back of the California Zephyr’s round-end observation car.

[BaltACD]

Scenic picture with the back of the California Zephyr’s round-end observation car.

[spsffan]

54light15 How does the term “mafia” apply? It’s slang… The Mafia prefers sometimes to enter from the rear of an establishment if they can because they want the best view with no surprises when they enter an establishment or space.

Oh! When I read Mafia I assumed it was used to dispose of dead bodies off the back of a moving train!

[BaltACD]

CMStPnP
54light15 How does the term “mafia” apply? It’s slang… The Mafia prefers sometimes to enter from the rear of an establishment if they can because they want the best view with no surprises when they enter an establishment or space.

Oh! When I read Mafia I assumed it was used to dispose of dead bodies off the back of a moving train!

[Flintlock76]

Oh! When I read Mafia I assumed it was used to dispose of dead bodies off the back of a moving train!

No, that’s what the New Jersey Pine Barrens are for!

Or the Hackensack Meadowlands.

Or the Passaic River.

Or places none of us know about! [:O]

[rwa197]

Ah, yes --The Hoffa Conumdrum.

[BaltACD]

Here I was thinking Danny DeVito and ‘Throw Momma from the Train’.