Canadian Pacific Kansas City - The 7th Class I Railroad

I somehow overlooked this merger back in 2023, but just yesterday I was researching some smaller railroads and came across some interesting articles about the merger.

There have been several threads started in the Trains Magazine forum which explore various aspects of this merger, but I decided to start this thread with the thought that there may be somebody out there besides me who missed this merger when it occurred on April 15, 2023.

Canadian Pacific (CP) and Kansas City Southern (KCS) combined to create Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC), as authorized by the U.S. Surface Transportation Board, creating the first single-line railway connecting Canada, the U.S., and Mexico.

CP completed its $31 billion acquisition of KCS on Dec. 14, 2021. Immediately upon the closing of that acquisition, shares of KCS were placed into a voting trust, which ensured that KCS operated independently of CP during the regulatory review process. On March 15, 2023, the KCS shares were transferred to an affiliate of CP, formally bringing KCS into the CPKC family.

The creation of CPKC was marked in Kansas City by hosting a celebration featuring the driving of the ceremonial Final Spike at the only place where the CP and KCS railroads meet. With its global headquarters in Calgary, Alta., Canada, CPKC is the only railway connecting North America and has unrivaled port access on coasts around the continent, from Vancouver to Atlantic Canada to the Gulf of Mexico to LĆ”zaro CĆ”rdenas on Mexico’s Pacific coast.

While remaining the smallest of the Class 1 railroads by revenue, the new combined company operates approximately 20,000 miles of rail and employs nearly 20,000 workers.

Rich

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Just to be clear, with the merger there are only 6 class 1 railroads.

Based upon the Surface Transportation Board’s definition of a Class I railroad, there are seven and that would include Amtrak.

Rich

Based upon AAR’s classification, there are six. There is no mention of Amtrak class I status here, but there is for freight railroads:

It is somewhat specious to use a ā€˜revenue’ definition for an operation that loses billions of dollars a year…

(Incidentally, there is a terrifying number in there: according to AAR, Amtrak has nearly half again as many employees as all 6 Class I freight railroads together…)

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Well, I’m sticking with seven based upon the Surface Transportation Board’s designation.

True, there are only six Class I freight railroads, but then there is only one passenger Class I railroad. :squinting_face_with_tongue:

Rich

You might be in some trouble there. Here is the actual STB page regarding the reason for assigning Class I status.

Where are the necessary R-1 forms for Amtrak?

Where is the determination of ā€˜revenue adequacy’ under 49CFR10704(a) for Amtrak? See also 49CFR1201 and 1243.2 and the STB section on revenue adequacy under the ā€˜Revenues and Earnings’ tab.

Do you actually have a reference from the STB where it says they consider Amtrak an actual Class I in these senses?

I’m am greatly amused by the pushback to my mere inclusion of the reference to 7th Class I railroad in my title to this thread.

Rich

We were greatly amused at your inclusion of a ā€˜7th Class I’ supposedly justified by the STB…

Are you saying that the STB does not consider Amtrak a Class 1 railroad?

Rich

I’m asking you to find a statement from the STB that they actually consider Amtrak a Class I railroad for STB purposes.

I don’t care about Wiki or AI saying ā€œwell, it sure would be a Class I if it hauled freight instead of passengersā€. We already know AAR does not call Amtrak a class I, to which you replied by citing the STB. It is time to show where the STB says it is.

The revenue definition of Class I railroads of $900 million or more is found in 49 CFR 1201.1-1. This certainly would include Amtrak.

Finding the official legal ā€œoutā€ for Amtrak not submitting the normal Class I annual reports to the STB is much more difficult. The best reference that I’ve found so far is in this FRA document: https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/files/fra_net/14131/C1-140212-001_D1%20(FRA%20Report%20on%20RRs%20-%20Report)%209-30.pdf

A footnote on the bottom of page 2 states that Amtrak is considered a Class I carrier, but that the ICC waived the requirements for Amtrak to file annual reports.

I don’t think so. As any lawyer knows, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff.

Let’s say that I state that the Dearborn Station complex in downtown Chicago covered a 4 block by 7 block space. You say, Not true. I reply, Sure it is. You counter with, Prove it.

I could, but I don’t have to. You have to prove otherwise to me to win your case.

It is time for you to show where the STB does not consider Amtrak a Class I railroad.

Rich

Does it honestly matter how many Class Is there are?

The Surface Transportation Board (STB) is an independent federal agency that has broad economic and regulatory oversight over all railroads in the United States. The STB determined the classes of railroads based upon annual revenue.

The Association of American Railroads (AAR), on the other hand, is an industry trade group that represents the major freight railroads of North America.

So, it makes sense that the AAR would not consider Amtrak as a Class I freight railroad because Amtrak is a passenger railroad. Its only members are freight railroads. The AAR does not determine the classes of railroads.

Rich

Nope, and it’s a shame that this thread got derailed when it was intended to be about the CPKC merger.

Rich

But what was the initial point of this thread? The cp-kc merger back in 2023? That was news in 2023.

Zug: I believe this paragraph defines the original intention of the thread.

I didn’t miss it, I’ve just never really been all that interested in KCS and I like CN more than CP.

However, in following the diatribe that developed here in the last 24 hours I did consider suggesting that some people needed to take a nap.

Thanks for pointing that out, Penny. I am mostly a model railroader still trying to learn as much as I can about the history of the railroads. I did, indeed, miss the announcement of the 2023 merger, and it was the CPKC IT integration problems thread in the Trains forum that prompted me to research the merger. That’s what I find so interesting and helpful personally about the Classic Trains forum. I have been starting some threads here on the various railroads, past and present, and then learn from other forum members replies and experiences.

Rich

The biggest thing that you missed was the bidding war between CP and CN to purchase KCS. KCS first announced a merger deal with CP. Once CN upped the ante by about $2 billion, KCS tore up the deal with CP and made one with them. The STB then made a few critical decisions that eventually tipped the balance in CP’s favor. It was a real nail biter that lasted about 5 months.

Here’s a good synopsis:

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Feature that we could end up with TWO Class 1 freight carriers - CN & CP as they hoover BNSF, CSXT, NS and UP into their systems.