City of Memphis,City of Mexico, City of New Orleans,City of Miami, those come immediatly to mind will have to do some research for the others.
Al - in - Stockton
Which railroad was that? Also the IC?
The Cityof Memphis was NC&StL’s train that made a daily round trip from Memphis to Nashville and back. By 1955 it had lost the name and was coach only, but still ran.
Good response…so far we got:
City of Chicago - NKP - Buffalo-Chicago
City of Cleveland - NKP - Chicago-Buffalo
City of Decatur - Illinois Terminal - St. Louis-Decatur
City of Kansas City - Wabash - St. Louis-Kansas City
City of Memphis - NCStL - Nashville-Memphis
City of Mexico - MP/TP/NdeM - St. Louis-Mexico City
City of Miami - IC/CoG/ACL/FEC - Chicago-Miami
City of Milwaukee “400” - CNW - Chicago-Milwaukee
City of New Orelans - IC - Chicago/St. Louis/Louisville-New Orleans
I have two more possibilities - what are they?
Well I can’t find anymore unless I go to England and find the City of Carlisle and the City of York.
Nope…I should had specified domestic. Still two to go.
Here’s a duplication:
City of Decatur - Decatur-Chicago on N&W, this used to be the St. Louis-Chicago “Blue Bird”.
That’s right [tup] - one more to go.
Should the N&W City of Decatur be included in the total count (50 years and older)? This train was created less than forty years ago. I rode the Blue Bird in the spring of '69, on the first day that it was operated directly from Union Station to the Merchants Terminal Bridge; I was disappointed that the route via Delmar Boulevard was abandoned for the St. Louis-Chicago trains. Also, the train had come down sadly–coaches only until Decatur, where a diner-lounge was added.
The only other City that I can think of right now was a stern-wheel ferry boat, the City of Baton Rouge, which, with the Louisiana, plied the Mississippi between Baton Rouge and Port Allen.
Would you count the St. Louis section of the City of New Orleans?
Technically, you are correct, but I would consider any passenger train that ran before the creation of Amtrak in the “Classic Train” category. To me, being involved in these questions is an exchange of information and knowledge - and in my opinion, there is a strong focus in the immediate prewar to the postwar streamlined era to the determent to the years leading to Amtrak and the decades before the great depression. That in itself is not bad, but there is a wealth of knowledge and information covering the pre and post streamline era that exists which, I think, needs to be brought to light.
Going back to the NW City of Decatur, I’m still going to keep it in the list and I must admit the final entry I’m looking for is in the same era. I’ll give this another 24 hours at which Ill give the answer to the final entry.
As for the St. Louis section of the City of New Orleans - it’s still the City of New Orleans, which was mentioned in a previous post.
Did ever a train called the City of St. Louis not involve the UP?
Here’s a couple old pics to ponder, Union Station train shed and Wabash Blue Bird
http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_02/upl-meta-pth-28757/0206.jpg
http://texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2007/MARD/box_03/upl-meta-pth-28718/0220.jpg
Yes, ZephryOverland, I agree that a great change came after 4/30/1971, and we should share our knowledge of the passenger service that existed when the railroads themselves operated it–and all of this is now classic.
I should be able to remember the name of the train you have in mind, but, just as the N&W’s City of Decatur escaped me, the name of the last one escapes me. Perhaps I never considered trying to ride it (several of my trips from 1962 to 4/30/1971 were tailored so I could ride particular trains or routes).
Bingo! [tup]
In the mid 1960’s, N&W decided to pull out of the joint operation of the City of St. Louis with the UP. So, the N&W portion became the St. Louis-Kansas City City of St. Louis and the UP renamed their train the City of Kansas City, ironically a name which was previously applied to a Wabash St. Louis-Kansas City train.
Good job all. TexasZepher got the majority of the names, so he gets to ask the next question.
Ok, enough passenger trains for the moment…
The geared shay locomotive was heavily used in the conifer forests of the American Northwest and deciduous forests of the East. They were not so common in the plains or desert southwest where the Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe ran. Name the Railroad that used Shays that had an exclusive contract with the Santa Fe for delivering cargo beyond their rails, and the Junction where these railroads met, and just to tell the whole story name the Santa Fe branch where this junction was.
And I really hope there is only one of these!
I believe it may have been the KCS which had two shays used for industrial switching in Kansas City. I don’t know anything about a contract or connection with the SF though.
Mark
Hi guys,
You may have noticed that on the previous page (14) that the page stretched out WAY over to the right side of the page. This happens sometimes when a user copies and paste text from another source. If you see that happen to one of your posts, please edit your post by doing the following…
- Cut out all your text
- Paste your text into a program that will convert the copied characters to straight text (I use NotePad on my PC religously)
- Cut the text and paste it back into your post.
That should fix the formatting error. If you’re pasting from a Microsoft Word document, please notice the icon for “Paste from Word” that’s located in the message editor tool bar just to the left of the HTML icon. (First row, far right.)
That Paste from Word feature will remove extraneous coding that Word slaps into its text (for some unknown reason).
Thanks for the help! And if you ever notice a thread that’s blown out to the right, let us know and we’ll fix it.
Take care,
Bergie
That’s good advice, Bergie, and I have yet another situation for those who have tried the above solution and still found it not wrapping lines correctly.
Copy the text to your textbook or notepad function. Uncheck the “Word Wrap” feature that is in the top bar, right next to font changes.
Your text will shoot out to infnity on the screen and will only “wrap” when you have manually returned and skipped a line to start a new paragraph.
Copy again, and then paste that copy into Word or your brower (TRAINS sites for example). Your text will “wrap” into the normal template with no extra phrases or truncated lines.
The more stuff it does, the trickier it gets, I guess . . . al
TZ,
Was I right about the Shays being KCS engines? If not I’m gonna need some hints from you before I have a clue as to the answer. I’m guessing these engines worked out of the KCS Knoche Yard but don’t know if that’s where a junction with the SF was located.
Mark
EEEeeek, What happened to my post???
Try again. I was not aware that the KCS had any shays! But even so, I am certain that the KCS did not have an exclusive contract for interchange with the Santa Fe so they would not meet the total scope of the question.
The Shays were used by a logging company in what I would say was the least likely state of the Union to have a lumber industry.
Ummm, another clue without giving it away. Some of the Santa Fe named passenger trains would use this branch in special situations.
KCS used shays in KC, There was an article on the 2-10-4’s of KCS and that was a sidebar note in said article.900 and 901 IIRC were the numbers.
Would it be in New Mexico?Or maybe Kansas?Stumped to say the least lol.