Sheesh,Dave. If that were true then most all your questions would require only the latest in smart-crystal ball technology. ONE thing please. Dome cars are 1940’s but that would be the answer for that decade. 1950’s. Somebody already mentioned it.
I agree if in fact the RDC is an eligible contender. Budd introduced the RDC in 1949 but none went into revenue service until 1950 when the NYC bought them for its B&A line. Does this make the RDC an innovation of the '40’s or '50’s?
If the RDC is ruled ineligible then I’ll opt for the slumbercoach.
Mark
For most of its life, the Seminole operated as a coach-Pullman train except during several mid-1920’s winter seasons when regularly scheduled separate Pullman and coach sections were operated, the latter sometimes called Seminole Express.
SR sometimes handled south-of-Jacksonville coaches, primarily in winter season trains. Examples are, the Suwanee River Special to St. Petersburg (winter season and year-round versions), the Florida Sunbeam to Miami and St. Petersburg, and the New Royal Palm to Miami.
SHAMELESS PLUG → For those who are interested, the second volume of “From the Midwest to Florida By Rail, 1875-1979”, produced by PRRT&HS, which is in production and should be available in May 2015, will have a large section devoted to SR Midwest-Florida operations.
Somewhere in the midst of SOUTHERN “coach-ology”, I declare Mark the winner with
SLUMBERCOACH.
All yours bud.
SHAMELESS PLUG #2 - also FRISCO, C&EI. The ACL & SAL Historical Society will be carrying the book in their company store.
END OF SHAMELESS PLUG #2 [8D]
Except for a one letter difference the names of two trains were spelled the same but pronounced differently. The two served the same market but not at the same time. Name the trains and their routes.
Mark
You happened to catch me after I just put down a book on Santa Fe passenger trains. The ANGEL, SFO-LA and the ANGELO, Ft. Worth- San Angelo.
the Northbound version of the ANGEL was the SAINT.
[8-|] Do I get a cookie?
No you don’t because the two trains do not serve the same market.
Still searching.
Sorry, no cookies for you for the reason Dave has pointed out.
Here’s today’s clue. While the two trains I’m looking for served the same end point cities they took different routes in doing so.
Mark
Well, you’ve got me. I’ve been burning up the OG’s and the internet and cannot come up with anything. [:|]
One train ran in the 1930’s and possibly earlier. The last OG that I have in which it appears is the Feb. 1941 issue. It is no longer shown in the March 1946 or later Guides so it must have been discontinued sometime in the interim. The other train operated beginning in 1971 which actually makes it a post Classic Trains era but just by a couple of years.
Mark
What date in 1971? What area of the country?
May of '71. East of the Mississippi.
Mark
Floridan (IC, C of G, ACL?) and Floridian (Amtrak), Chicago to Miami.
Excerpt from Illinois Central Magazine, December 1922
New De Luxe Train to Florida Scheduled
The Floridan, a new de luxe all-Pullman train, will be put into operation December 5 on the Illinois Central System and connecting lines between Chicago, St. Louis and Florida. It will leave these terminals on the Northern Lines each Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday thereafter and will travel the same route as does the Seminole Limited. The Seminole Limited will continue to run daily.
The schedule of the Floridan is such that it will make faster time between Chicago, St. Louis and Florida than any other train.
It will leave Chicago at 12:01 p.m. and St. Louis at 4:04 p.m., and will arrive in Jacksonville at 8:50 p.m. the following day, in time to make connections with all night trains for southern Florida. The northbound train will leave Jacksonville at 9 a.m. on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday and will arrive in Chicago at 4:10 p.m. and St. Louis at 4:45 p.m. the next day. The first northbound train will leave Jacksonville December 7.
The Floridan will carry only Pullman passengers. Its equipment will be:
1 baggage-club car Chicago-Jacksonville
1 dining car Chicago-Jacksonville
1 10-section, 1-drawing-room, 2-compartment sleeper Chicago-Jacksonville
1 12-section drawing-room sleeper Chicago-St. Petersburg
1 12-section drawing-room sleeper St. Louis-Jacksonville
1 6-compartment-observation sleeper Chicago-Jacksonville
Beginning January 2 the 10-section, 1-drawing-room, 2-compartment sleeper will be operated from Chicago through to Mia
Bingo we have a winner! Amtrak’s short lived Floridian ran on the same route as had the South Wind.
Mark
Mark,
No biggie, but this clue threw me off, since Amtrak’s Floridian didn’t come into being until November 1971. From May to November 1971 Amtrak’s Chicago-Florida train was known as the South Wind.
Thanks for the correction. I didn’t look it up but just assumed the Amtrak train started off as the Floridian.
Mark
When I saw the answer given early this morning, I said to myself that could not be it–for I rode the South Wind from Indianapolis to Birmingham in July of 1971 (when I took a circle tour in April of 1971, I had to change trains in Louisville, for the South Wind had been truncated there the year before).
In the spring of 1950, RCA Victor chartered a special train from New York to Richmond, Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Austin, Dallas, Pasadena, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Denver, St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia. What was the conductor’s name?
ONE conductor for the entire trip?? Wow!