My name is PJ McCarthy and I am filling in some important details in a book I have written about the murder of a young man in his suburban Chicago home in 1924. For reasons that are too complicated to go into in this forum, that young man’s trip from Hanover, NH (he was a Dartmouth student) to Chicago, IL in March of 1924 became important to the case. What I need to know is what was the most likely train route he would have taken back home to Chicago. He had an incentive to take the fastest route as he was about to turn twenty-one, announce his engagement to the world, and take control of a million-dollar estate that had been held in trust for him since his mother died when he was six. Would this young man have taken a train to Albany, NY to catch the Boston to Chicago train? Or would he have traveled to New York or Boston and caught a train there?
It would also help, just to flesh out the story, to know the name of any train he may have taken. I have searched Dartmouth records to see if anyone ever mentioned how Chicago kids made their way home, to no avail. His trip would have been in the last week of March in 1924.
Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
I’ll start, naively, by saying he drove from Hangover to White River Junction (about 5 miles) and then went south to Springfield, where he would have gotten a B&A/NYC train to Chicago. (Time of day might indicate whether he went via the CASO or on the south shore via Cleveland missing Detroit – I believe even with customs the former might have been faster in absolute terms. Note that he might time this to catch the ‘Boston section’ of a name train at Springfield, or ride B&A to Albany and catch a Great Steel Fleet train there.
He could also have continued south at Springfield and gone to … well, that town with a college rhyming with jail or fail… and gone via the Shore Line over the then-new Hell Gate connection and then PRR.
Relax the highest-speed consideration or amenities desired and other routings become possible: 24- and 28-hour services had much lower fare structures by agreement. He may also have wanted to come into a particular station to minimize Parmelee Transferring…
Seeing as though he was coming from Hangover, I’m sure he would have avoided that place that I assume you don’t want me to name. My guess is your first two options make the most sense.
The young man’s name was Billy McClintock, and I’m sure he avoided the Parmalee people at all cost. In 1907, when he was four-years-old, his millionaire father took the family for a ride in his new touring car on a beautiful spring day. He was driving south on Chicago’s ritzy Prairie Avenue when he turned right on 26th street and ran into a horse-drawn Parmalee Wagon. Billy saw his father impaled on the wagon shaft. That kind of thing can sour you on a company. His feelings about Parmalee may have been the reason why drove his car back to Dartmouth because he needed to bring all his stuff back from Hangover. Now all I have to do is recreate the same route by existing 1924 highways.
Thanks for all the info, but I have one more question: If Billy had chosen either of your first two options, how long would the trip have been?
He would provably tale a taxi from Hanover to WRJ, since his car was in Chicago, use a parlor seat on the Day White Mountains Express to Springfield, enjoying a good boiled or broaled scrod lunch in the through New Haven diner, have a close, but doabld connection with the Boston section of the 20th Century limited, where he would occupy a lower birth, and enjoy the pickled watermelon rind in the dining car with a good steak or roast-beef dinner in the top-quality dining car.
He would probably be in the Boston section’s obs to enjoy the Berkshire scenery, and the attendent would remind him to return to the sleeper as the train approched Albany.
And of course the excellent 20th Century French toast at breakfast.
He would ASSUREDLY not have done this in 1924. Even if he had a Twin Six at his disposal that would have been a long, uncomfortable, delay-ridden trip… even assuming his stuff would fit in the car. And that is even if we further assume good weather and road conditions, both ways. Even the organized Good Roads movement would have been only a decade old.
He would have had expressmen crate up what wouldn’t be in his trunks or traveling luggage, and the whole shebang would have been trucked to his connection with whatever train he chose; thence follow him to Chicago and be drayed straight to the place in his house that the staff would supervise unloading and ‘taking upstairs’. Anyone of wealth and privilege in that age would likely be very familiar with traveling with what might be a large number of trunks… read some of the accounts of the Titanic, for example.
And I am quite sure he would have had lobster Newburg before the steak. (I know I would…)
MEANWHILE you had better check contemporary Dartmouth policy on his having a car there as a student. Several of the Ivies notoriously banned this circa 1927 and that policy stayed in effect for decades. To this day Dartmouth forbids freshmen from parking cars on campus…
No, he definitely drove to Hanover in April 1924 and drove back at the end of May. There are letters to and from his fiancee where she complained about his driving and how much it worried her. It was testified to in open court by her and others that Billy indeed took his “big car” (I have been unable to find the model) to Dartmouth and drove it back. I know about the auto ban at Dartmouth. Billy lived off-campus at a frat house and he must have figured he was going to be leaving Dartmouth forever in a few weeks and didn’t care if he got in trouble.
Since the train was going from Boston to Chicago, I would definitely take the fresh caught lobster over the steak. Going the other way, I would like the fresh cut steak from the Stockyards. But regardless of meal chosen, how long would that trip have taken?
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His feelings about Parmalee may have been the reason why drove his car back to Dartmouth because he needed to bring all his stuff back from Hangover. Now all I have to do is recreate the same route by existing 1924 highways.
He would ASSUREDLY not have done this in 1924. Even if he had a Twin Six at his disposal that would have been a long, uncomfortable, delay-ridden trip… even assuming his stuff would fit in the car. And that is even if we further assume good weather and road conditions, both ways. Even the organized Good Roads movement would have been only a decade old.
He would have had expressmen crate up what wouldn’t be in his trunks or traveling luggage, and the whole shebang would have been trucked to his connection with whatever train he chose; thence follow him to Chicago and be drayed straight to the place in his house that the staff would supervise unlo
Probably not just Ivies. When I went to Glassboro State back in the '70s (Yeah, the Jurassic Period) there was a “No freshmen cars on campus” policy as well, with one exception. If the freshman resident student had a part-time job a distance away it was permissable to have a car once it was cleared with the school. I have no idea what the policy is now.
Suspect these steaks will be aged, so bringing them to the Boston commissary on a previous eastbound – perhaps only a couple of hours before – likely still has the full Stockyards quality. Almost likewise for the Newburg, which is a fabricated dish – live steamed lobster would be different BUT it’s easy to transport and keep live lobsters for quite a while…
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I thought Dave Klepper already told you that; I was sure he had quoted a time for the New Haven train but it would be easy enough to get numbers from an Official Guide if Mr. Klepper doesn’t have them ‘to hand’. That time to Springfield, then the layover (quoted as ‘short’) to the Boston section of the Century, presumably arriving on time at the time specified in the OG for that date – there may in fact be records for the precise time on that particular date. The critical path is that he arrives next morning at Century time no matter when he starts from campus.
The plot thickens if he misses connection in Springfield. I defer to people with the appropriate Guides and the distinctive competence to give you scheduled numbers and a reasonable idea of lateness.
If you were going from Hanover to Chicago, you would probably walk down Wheelock Street through the covered bridge to Lewiston on the Vermont side of the river, which is a walk of only about a mile. Lewiston station still exists, in the town of Norwich, but the village was more or less eliminated during the construction of I-91. The “Conn River” train from points north (in 1924 B&M controlled trackage north to Stanstead Quebec, as will as Groveton and Berlin NH, with through service from Montreal and connections from Quebec city) would either terminate in White River Jct or operate through to Springfield MA. In 1924 B&M trains still opreated west from Greenfield MA to Troy NY, including a through Pullman to Chicago that lasted until 1926. NYC’s Boston & Albany offered more connections to the west at Springfield than B&M did at Greenfield. There would be no reason to backtrack to Boston if Chicago was the intended destination, a route further complicated by having to change stations in Boston. The only other real alternative was from White River Jct. via a Central Vermont/Canadian National/Grand Trunk Western routing via Montreal and Toronto.
For you old movie buffs, Lewiston station is featured in the 1939 movie “Winter Carnival”. The way the station is used in nonsense, since trains only paused there.
1924-- White River Jct. CV, CNR, GTW Montreal-Toronto-Chicago … I’m as green as the passenger cars with envy. That’s a lot of steam and a lot of whistles.
The $64 question is how long it would take via this route, and what the arrival time and station location of the earliest connecting train into Chicago would be. Remember Parmelee Transfer isn’t an option, so there may be convenience of access where he’s going…
The protagonist is well fixed, can afford taxis in both Hanover and Chicago, and wants the fastest and most convenient trip possible. The approriate Official Guide should add the specific times for the trains I mentioned.
Well if you’re a young college student women are topmost on your mind at any time so you go where the women are and the best chances … the Century would be a bunch of old stuffies and boring folk for him, regardless of privilege.
Miningman, remember he has his fiancee, and finding other young women would be far from his mind. The route I suggested is the fastest, and most assuradly would have been chosen.
I won’t argue about the food selsection! At times the Boston diner did go through to Chicago, even when the section wasn’t a separate train, which it was under heavy travel.
The CV/CN/GTW route was pretty efficient. B&M seven miles to White River Jct. Have some coffee in the station restaurant and then board the late afternoon Ambassador to Montreal. CN/GTW still had through Montreal-Chicago Pullmans via Sarnia/Port Huron. He would have arrived late the next day for a 28-30 hour trip. The B&M/NYC via Greenfield and Troy would have been around 27 hours total, the B&M/B&A/NYC route depended on the train, but most B&A/NYC schedules ran about 22 hours Springfield to Chicago for a total travel time of around 25-26 hours.
Not hard to look it up with the details he provided, and a book was written about it in 2005. Billy, who was orphaned by 1907, died of typhoid, likely administered by those murdering Shepherds… who actually got away with the “fortune”. His fiancée Isabelle Pope would subsequently sue them for a ‘widow’s share’ and got a substantial settlement.
It is a true story. This young man, his name was Billy McClintock, went home to Chicago for his spring break to celebrate his twenty-first birthday, announce his engagement to the world, and take control of a million dollar plus fortune. The one thing he did not anticipate was his foster parents pressuring him into signing a will. He was assured the will, which left everything to them, was only a stopgap between his taking control of the fortune and his wedding. He would return to Dartmouth by auto and return in late May. He died from typhoid in December, just weeks before his wedding. Since all four people who had controlled the same fortune (including his parents) had died in strange fashion, the press jumped on the story of Billy McClintock and his “cursed fortune.” Eventually, his foster parents were charged with his murder.
The first draft is finished, but I have an editor who urged me to flesh out Billy’s story. His fiancee’s family supplied me with letters from Billy and with those I have been trying to trace his every movement and action in the last year of his life. The route he took might seem unimportant, but I have found that each fact is a possible lead to another. The fact that Billy chose to drive back, an arduous trip in 1924, when he could have traveled comfortably by train is something even his fiancee could not understand. The information I have already got from this forum about the ease and comfort of the train trip (especially for a young man of means) makes that decision seem even stranger to me. More mystery and more questions.
