Omaha has a number of satilite communities that feed into it but no express bus service and from the looks of it a very spartan city bus system-http://www.ometro.com/index.php/bus-system/system-map/ this is spite of being the Insurance Capital of the Midwest/World and being larger then Hartford CT which is/was the Insurance Capital of the world. Hartford CT has a larger system with 2 real bus rapid transit lines on dedicated right of ways and a commuter train…but then again Hartford is part of the Northeast Corridor. However Omaha has two large train stations so I imagine at one time there was a lot of local/intercity passenger trains and a streetcar/Interurban system at one time, Locals here say its not needed as the city is not dence enough, However Boys Town was at the edge of the built up area and now its part of the suberban Grid.-Note would post map of Hartford to compare side by side but hotel computer wont let me.
Hartford CT Transit map- https://www.cttransit.com/sites/default/files/maps/division/Express_system.pdf
@DBD, hate to break it to you but Insurance is not a major growth industry employee-wise. My large insurance companies are headquartered in Texas and Illinois. They use these thangs called computers and telephones to serve their customers around the country.
Other industries will find transportation costs daunting, try pricing an airline flight to Omaha or even Kansas City. Fortunately, UPRR’s management has been keeping their trackage quite underutilized for the benefit of the CZ.
Omaha may be a good place to grow up, but I’ll bet young folks rocket out of there when possible.
There’s a lot more to Omaha than Mutual of Omaha. There are the headquarters of Berkshire Hathaway, the Union Pacific, and Gallup, to name a few. The city has grown from 318,000 in 1980 to 468,000 in 2018. And the CSA is 970,000 as of 2017.
This is the last I found- https://www.omaha.com/news/local/report-pegs-cost-of-omaha-streetcar-at-million-stothert-wants/article_ddce7e9b-c635-5fc2-b083-18b618d52dbf.html Seems Omaha has about the same population of Columbus OH or Indy IN with about 500,000 people city and 1.1 million metro
None of the outlying towns have any commuter bus connection to the downtown Omaha…its drive or die out here. As far as the rail network there is a blanket of railroads around here so a piece of lumber can get across town but you cant.
Lincoln is state capital and home of the U of Nebraska. It’s not far from Omaha. Does it have good bus service to Omaha?
And is highway congestion any kind of a problem? Highway congestion is what has driven most improvements in public transportation in North America, both USA and Canada.
Not really. It is considerably north of the Corridor and is reached by branching off at New Haven on the recently-improved Springfield line.
One of the more promising plans for ‘second spine’ true HSR for the NEC explicitly involves going through Hartford to finally give it “NEC-quality” high-speed regular access. (Although I still think the Orient Point Bridge is a grander alternative…)
Can somebody answer the question as to Omaha (and Council Bluffs) traffic congestion? Compared to Hartford?
I can’t comment on Hartford. I do know Omaha’s traffic congestion is not bad compared to other cities.
Omaha Metro runs a bus service on main routes inside the city. They do not connect with many outlying areas. It crosses the river into Council Bluffs. I don’t know about the daily ridership, but I’m sure it is not anywhere near what some eastern cities would have.
The move to build a transit system in Omaha is not being driven by traffic congestion. It is a result of the city lobbying for more tech firms. Often, the tech firms want a transit system, whether it is needed or not.
Megabus and several other bus lines offer service. I don’t know how much they are used.
ran into a O-Town City Councilman at coffee shop. “Omaha is flat and unlike older east coast citys we can just keep building on flat land further and further west. We do not have a shortage of parking and we have good roads and bypasses.” East Coast citys on the Northeast Corriodor are hemmed in by water/hills/railroad yards industrial wastelands. Boys Town is the baromiter as in the 1960s that was the country and now it is well in the city line. In the link you can see where Boys Town is in the W Center of the map surrounded by culdesacs housing devlopment and golf courses. It is 17 miles from US6/NE31 which is the edge of the built up area to downtown Omaha. Est Drive time is 26 min. From Oak Brook to Downtown Chicago Drive Time is about 30-45 min on a sunday and distance is also about 19 miles.
There is the explanairion, and thanks for posting what you learned from your coffee-shoip meetubg. Omaha may end-up wanting a light-rail or commoter-rail line as a showpiece, but clearly the traffic congestion that spurred useful light rail development (including Jerusalem, by the way) isn’t a problem in Omaha. And St. Louis Streetcar certainly gives a cautionary tale on providing rail service when a real demand doesn’t exist.
Of course installoing any urban rail system and not running it during morning commuter hours is simply nutty in my opnion. Mainly for tourists? So are today’s San Francisco cable-car operations. But commuters also do use them with their system-wide monthly passes.
St. Louis also has MAX Light Rail, which is successful.
Talked to Chamber here-- some O-Town companies in the are running there own van pool service to bring in there own workers. Insurnce and Food Proceessing are doing this for mid-low leval employees.
Sounds like the councilman is on a different track from the CC guy and big local companies.
The Chamber has the belief that Omaha could have attracted Amazon and Google headquarters if only it had a light rail system.
There are those who push the idea that a light rail system would pay for itself. Omahans are smart enough to know that’s a dream, and they are unwilling to pay increased taxes to build an unneeded system.
There is not a major traffic problem in Omaha, and there has been no large public push for increased transit.
The companies I know of that run vans do it mainly to get employees to and from classes in Lincoln, 45 minutes away.
I’m a native of the Chicago area, but I spent 15 years living and working in Omaha. The “light rail” idea isn’t a new one, and it repeatedly came up when I was there. Obviously, like a bad case of teenage acne, it still hasn’t gone away.
I fully agree with the earlier posts questioning whether LRT would serve any real purpose in a place like Omaha. I lived in the Millard area around 108th Street (downtown is roughly between 10th and 14th Street). The proposed light rail routing would have been about 10 minutes from my house. If it had been built and I used it, it would have taken 10 minutes to the station, probably at least another 10 minutes from the parking lot to train departure, at least 15 minutes to get downtown, and another 10 minutes to get from the downtown station (which would probably have been near the Amtrak station) to my workplace - a total of about 45 minutes or more door to door. I could reliably get from my home to my downtown workplace in 25-30 minutes by car in rush hour (without the long walk through city streets to/from the LRT station). Needless to say, I wouldn’t be using the LRT.
With respect to expansion of the Omaha metro area west to and beyond Boys Town (144th Street), That certainly happened (and is continuing to happen as the built up area spreads west to Elkhorn). But the expressway system to that area has also been greatly improved, particularly with the conversion of Dodge Street into a limited access expressway west of I-680. Again, not a market for LRT.
There’s a broader issue at play here as well. Public transit works best when the travel patterns resemble a funnel, with the final city destinations near the neck. But in Omaha, as in many other places these days, the downtown area isn’t the center of business activity in the metro area - it’s merely one of several centers. The rest are scattered throughout the metro area, and wouldn’t be a
That’s a great point. Especially since ConAgra is now in Chicago.
I agree with everything the good councilman said except for the statement that Omaha is “flat”. Maybe it’s flat compared to Denver, but it’s downright (and surprisingly) hilly compared to a place like Chicago. Some of the hills are pretty severe. In fact, the original UP main line west of Omaha wasn’t built straight west, primarily because of the difficult geography. Rather, it was built on a circuitous route (essentially two sides of a triangle) following watercourses south from Omaha and then northwest to what’s now Millard (the “Oxbow” line), where it joined UP’s existing alignment to the west. It wasn’t until the 20th Century that UP built directly west from Omaha (the Lane Cutoff), which is now UP’s main line.
Not really relevant to the LRT discussion, but of possible interest to those who like to wallow in such things (like me).
Most major cities that I have lived/vistied had a huge underclass of working poor/black/hispanic who could not afford a car and even if they did the expensice would hurt what little income they had to feed there families. How is that in Omaha?