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A smile to begin the week!

How can I find it if it’s lost?

<A Yogi-ism!>

G’day Gents!

Monday has rolled ‘round once again. As with the tides, some things just keep on keepin’ on, eh [?]

Best way to begin this new work week is to draw a mugga Joe, select a or breakfast from our Menu Board. While you’re waitin’ - grab a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case! [tup]

Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):

Eric at 12:32 PM Saturday - July 7th: Didn’t expect to see our Resident Desert Swede in DAYLIGHT! [wow] [bow] [tup] You look “different” without those “night owl prowling” outfits . . . Recall that great hit from |The Little River Band??

Some fine Pix to check out and the “one” with the “important feature for passenger trains of yesteryear” makes me T-H-I-N-K (which hurts at times! ) Anyway, looks to me like some sort of a hose linkage - steam perhaps for heat?? Hmmmmm.

Liked the track work in that foto of the UP locos in Atchison . . . [tup]

Lotsa Pix of cabooses (or as some refer to, cabeese - but not MOI!!) Vans, as they are or were known as in Canada, are my favorites a

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PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

<A form of this was initially Posted on page 186 of the Original Thread>

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

Glacier National Park

IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Ahoy Cap’n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth my deAH, yes ‘tis I, the Larsman - back at the bar this Monday morning! My oh my you are as radiant as evAH ‘n just what this old sailorman needs to jump-start my day!

A mugga Joe with a jolt, a few pastries from the case ‘n of course treats for the CrittAHs - Boris, feed ‘em ‘n the jar of pickled pig’s feet is YOURS! A round for the house (when they come tricklin’ in) and the change is yours, my deAH!

Had a wonderful day yesterday with the grandkids out on the water - looks like we’ve got some homegrown sailors in the family. What am I saying?!?!? I was Navy - my 3 sons all took a turn at it, did their 4 years on the briny blue, and so it goes. Anyway, here we are, enjoying the best of life in the Keys. Why did it evAH take so long to do THIS!?!!?

As with all things in life, this too shall pass. We’ll be winging it back home on Friday afternoon. Probably won’t be returning ‘til mid or late August to “close up” after the last of the brood departs for SINY.

An e-mail was sent to a group of you ‘n thus far I’ve received 2 responses. Thanks! [tup] By the way, please forward it on to anyone you feel would be supportive of the idea . . . I found that my e-mail address book doesn’t contain as many listings as it once had! [%-)] For those who may be wonderin’ - just trying to get some “activity” going for our Thursday 27th month ANNIVERSARY. [yeah]

I’ve been able to get a few ho

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Hello Tom and all in

Let’s have some of those Mentor village bakery stuff please, and a coffee.

Firstly Tom, thanks for the pics of the Flexliner (and Eric has added further info) - I’ve seen pictures of units like that in Europe - the rubber ends look strange. The link you sent said they were made by Adtranz. Adtranz owned the factory (the former London Midland and Scottish Railway Derby Carriage and Wagon works - they bought it from British Rail Engineering Limited (who had come to own it under nationalisation) and they sold it on to Bombardier I think - who own it now) who built the DMU cars I gave the link to - so it is not so surprising they look similar maybe.

Those Cathedrals are spectacular - several can be seen from the train in Eastern England - on that trip you can also see Peterborough cathedral - but not as clearly as the one at Ely. When they were built - and all around was tiny wooden homes it must have seemed like an amazing structure.

I’d like a copy of this publication your post mentioned:

British Railways - new and amusing booklet, “WHAT, NO ICE?” - written especially for Americans planning to visit us

I wonder what it said!

Incidentally - are you saying that my post has wide page problems? When I view it it does not, but if that is the case I’ll try reducing font size.

Lars - hope all is well in The keys - the only thing I know about that area is the picture painted in the film Key Largo - I’m assuming your accommodation is just like the situation Bogart walked in to in that classic film?! (minus the bad weather hopefully).

Allan - I enjoyed that link to the vintage NZ railcars - the restoration projects look ambitious, but well worth while. I think Vegemite is pretty similar product but I’m told by aficionados that there are subtle differences in taste - so th

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Good Afternoon everybody present!

Leon, may I have something from your lunch menu and a pint of your best bitter, please.

Yes, it has been a while since you saw me around here. My trip to Madrid was great and so was the food, except for that one dish (and I don’t know which one). You can guess the outcome and it wasn’t pleasant.

I had hoped to make a nice inclusive post when I got back, but looking back at the conversation around here, I must admit there is no chance I will be able to go through all posts and condense it into something meaningful, so let’s just start over.

Hi, I’m Per [:D] (well, maybe not that much “all over”).

Quite a while back my wife and I talked about the changes at Los Angeles Union Station (including the name - it used to be Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal, LAUPT - or did I get it backwards again?). She grew up with the trains, seeing her grandparents off on their trips back east and she remembered it being a very busy place. Well, with nothing else to do (and keeping a close proximity to the bathroom) I checked my old Official Guide from May 1950, a couple of online time tables from June/July 2007 and came up with the following: (I will add the file to my website when I can get in there - right now it doesn’t work)

In 1956 there were 56 train movements at LAUPT, 28 arrivals and 28 departures. Chicago was by far the most popular destination: ATSF had 6 trains, UP had 3 and SP had 2 for that city. Santa Fe had 5 trains for San Diego and SP had 6 for San Fransisco. The remaining trains were for Seattle, Sacramento, New Orleans, Memphis and Denver/Omaha. It seems that the local traffic was all by railroad operated buses.

In 2007 there were only 3 long-distance trains left, 1 each for Chicago, New Orleans and Seattle. What has changed is the local and regional traffic. There is now 28 train pairs on the San Diego line, 6 pairs for Santa Barbara and 6 for San Luis

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G’day Gents!

Good to see Per 'n DL today! More specifics in the morning . . . [tup] Hope you two will be able to scroll back to catch up on the fine Pix 'n other material since your last visits!

Per, our Resident Cowboy Swede [C):-)] has been in Madrid! [wow] Lotsa Pix 'n material on these Pages - hope you can scan thru 'em, would be a shame to miss out! [tup]

Continuing on with Pix from Day Four: Sunday - May 27th, 2007 - ExpoRail Canadian Railway Museum at Delson/Saint-Constant, Quebec, Canada

Inside Building #1 (cont’d)

Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) “Neville” 12-1 sleeper - Built by CP-Canadian Car & Foundry (1921)

Canadian National Railway (CNR #3684) RS-18 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1958)

Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR #51) School car - Built by CP-Hochelage (1898)

Inside a vintage sleeper!

Inside a vintage combine!

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Hi Tom and all.

A round please RUTH[tup] and something to cheer you up later.[yeah]

DAVE Great to see you[tup]. It was very sad to read of those two B&O locomotives that were scrapped after being laid aside for preservation[:(]. Were the steam locomotives in the U.S the same as in Britain, where there the steam locos were got rid of in indecent haste to the diesels and electrics[?]. It was first said that steam on BR would be around until the early 1970s but the last BR (Standard gauge) steam loco ran in August 1968. But for a scrapyard in South Wales that did not cut up the steam locos straight away, allowing about 200 to be saved, the preserved scene in Britain would look a lot sadder.

I’m afraid I had not heard of those NZ locomotives being buried perhaps Allan could shed some light on this interesting subject.

I know there is said to be an old Furness railway locomotive still underground when the track gave way into a large hole.[:O] On the Irish Rail opposite their main works at Inchicore, in the suburbs of Dublin, about 12 old diesels were lined up to act as a sound barrier for a housing estate there. I don’t think the locos are there now. I hope some of them got preserved[yeah]

LARS Glad you made in down to the Keys without a lot of problems[tup], it sounds as though you are going to have a great time and hope you avoid those thunderstorms, no doubt we will have one here after this hot spell.

Many thanks for the link to the GG1 photos of the class I guess in their last years.[^][tup]

Sounds as though you had a great day yesterday[yeah] and thanks for the Great Northern bookcovers[tup]

I

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Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!

Leon, I’ll just have a Cheese Burger! Coffee! Thank you, my friend!

Monday, do I need to say more. At least it is gone and Tuesday is here. Glad to see that Per is back! And Manager Lars stopped by to see Ruth (?!?!). Hmm.

Tom – Congratulations![wow] You won 500 points! (sorry, no megapoints this time) The important feature is for the steam/train heat![tup] I remember The Little River Band but I can’t say I remember any night owl outfits! But don’t worry, my memory is almost completely gone.

About that crash at Washington DC Union Station, I am sure it was a terrible feeling for the engineer and fireman, knowing that they were going to crash without any possibilities to stop the train.

Everything in Phoenix is air conditioned, even our dog’s dog house.[;)]

The brake wheel is from a box car at the Museum of Transportation![:)]

I like that Great Northern Railway ad![tup] Glacier National Park, we actually traveled at the edge of the park with the X2000. It was pretty late and getting dark. I shot some videos. Very beautiful place! [yeah]

Thanks for the pictures from ExpoRail!![tup] The more I see of that museum the more impressed I get![yeah] Interesting pictures from the inside of the cars!

Lars – I spent a few days in Miami 1993 and I can’t say I liked it very much. Too humid! But at the same time it was interesting!

Thanks for the book covers![tup] Great Northern had good looking locomotives! I like especially the top one![yeah]

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G’day Gents!

Tuesday - what’s new? So here we are at the Saloon by the Siding. Galley crew says the ‘n breakfasts are ready for orderin’ - coffee is freshly ground ‘n brewed - and the pastries are fresh in The Mentor Village Bakery case. [tup]

Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):

Lars at 10:15 AM Monday - July 9th: A fine mid-morning visit from our Manager! [yeah]

So how’s paradise these days, eh [?] A bit too warm for my likes, and my guess is the humidity is up there too. My time in the “keys” mainly was in January ‘n February. Had a long stint doing sub-obs with the Navy between Ft. Lauderdale ‘n Key West. A long deployment if I recall - 6 or 7 weeks - but being in “paradise” was far better than suffering through another winter in BahStun (Boston) where we were homported.

Much appreciation for the supplemental Great Northern book covers! Always fits in nicely. Takes work ‘n interest - of which you have lots of. [tup] [tup] [tup]

Thanx for the Email, by the by! Appreciate keeping me in the “loop” . . .

My experiences in the Miami area were all in association with business and most times I had a rental car. Didn’t care much for driving down that way. I understand they have some fairly decent rail systems to help with getting people off the overcrowded highways. Fully concur with your assessment of the Miami airport, both inside ‘n out! [tdn]

Check these out:

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PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #42

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1950 advertisement from my private collection:

<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 190 of the Original Thread>

X marks my Room

. . . on a Dieseliner, and no hotel was ever finer. For New York Central travel feels just like a great hotel on wheels!

Having a Wonderful Time you see,
Loafing or working in privacy.
But when I feel more like a chat,
The lounge car is just made for that!

My Big, Soft Bed is six-foot-three,
Smooth Diesel power cradles me.
For sleep, no place could better suit,
Than Central’s Water Level Route!

No Need to Step Outside my door
To wash and dress next morning, for
My Central room’s equipped complete,
And when I leave, I’m fresh and neat.

My Plans are Sure! Come storm or fair,
My Dieseliner gets me there.
On New York Central trains I find Comfort is matched by peace of mind!

Make these great trains your Ho
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G’day Gents!

Judging by the number of “hits” on this Thread - SOMEONE must be enjoying these fotos and the other “stuff” Posted by the boyz from “Our” Place. Even noticed a UTB - passengerfan Al on-line and Posting last evening on this Forum! But of course, NOT this Thread. [tdn]

Continuing on with Pix from Day Four: Sunday - May 27th, 2007 - ExpoRail Canadian Railway Museum at Delson/Saint-Constant, Quebec, Canada

From the balcony - Inside Building #1 (cont’d)

Canadian National Railway (CNR #55361) Rotary snow plow - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1928)

CNR #6765 FPA-1 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1955)

Sydney & Louisbourg (S&L #4) Combine - Built by Rhodes, Curry (1894)

Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR #2850) 4-6-4 “Royal”- Built by Montreal Loco Works (1938)

Grand Trunk Railway (GTR #713

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Good Tuesday to all from the left coaster, round of Mall’s pale ale and rabies shot for Boris[;)]

Tom, Quite true that a GG1 must adorned in classic Tucson with five gold pin stripes is undispuitable, Conrail[censored] colors or PC [censored] too seventies for me. Heck we had several cases of purple power, remember the orginal Auto Train? On the flip side, I do wish I had as much hair now as I did then, otherwise those seventies schemes should be allowed to rest in peace.

Pwolf: Quite true about scrapping retired locomotives , the SP maintained a vast fleet, several hundered strong, at Bayshore until the mid sixties when scrap prices rebounded. Many oppertunities were lost to preserve samples of SP steam. Rumors do persist that several rare early Cab forwards were set aside for a very important online customer that requested them for stationary boiler use at it’s mill. If true, where are they today?

Well i’ll to cut this short, seems im needed elsewhere, until later

Dave

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Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams this rather humid day please RUTH.[tup]

ERIC Thanks for that NASA link to the ICE disaster. It seems that a switch caused the faulty wheel to derail and its proximity to the overbridge made the disaster worse. If I recall correctly a switch near to a grade crossing caused a HST to derail after some (I wont call him a person) committed suicide by stopping his car on a grade crossing[tdn]. I believe there was a plan to move switches away from crossing wherever possible.

Those figures for the hours locomotive engineers are allowed to work are indeed scary.

I can’t quite remember the exact figures, but when a BR driver was involved in a collision caused by passing a red signal quite a few years back, the amount of days the driver had worked without a day off was a major part of the inquiry. I believe new regulations were brought in to stop this. Also in the latest issue (August) of Trains magazine the first item in the News section is that the House Of Representatives is looking into new legislation in to US train crew hours.

Thanks for the photo of Los Angeles Union Station; the building looks in marvelous condition.[^][tup]

DAVE The thought of those locos surviving until the mid 1960s and then being scrapped is sad indeed.[:(][tdn]

I wonder if those Southern Cab forwards do exist[?] it would be wonderful if they did[yeah]. Some people in the UK have complied a record of all the thousands of steam locos scrapped, and where they scrapped, in the 1950s and 60s with but a handful not accounted for. There were rumours of a ‘Strategic Reserve’ of stored steam locos in the UK, like there was, I believe in Sweden, but it was not to be.[:(]

Although two former ex GNR boiler

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Where was I, oh yeh, the light just came on[wow] Round for all, no watered or cheap stuff, Boris, I am wise to that deal you got on questionable libations from Ce’ Sinor’s in Tijuana.[oX)]

Pwolf…Tragic indeed, If those engines defied the scrappers for a few more years it would be a fair bet to state they were probably scrapped when no longer needed for stationary use. I find it inconciveable that in this day and info age someone would not have rooted them out if the story rings with a grain of truth, though I have heard the mill was razed in the late sixties and all equiptment disposed of, according to legend the builder plates did survive, though no one has produced them, what is not in dispute was the mill obtained several chime whistles at a good price and these are now in the hands of collectors… Odd, but the SP retained nothing larger then the 4-8-2 in the post 59 deadlines, perhaps not so odd when you consider these smaller engines were more verstile and cheaper to store or return to service if needed, also a great many were not too many years hence from complete rebuilds. Eleven Cab Forwards survived into 1959 before their fate was sealed…

Eric, My last journey to LAUPT was the 50th anniversery in 1989, quite a shindig, with 4449, 844 in steam and the infamous F unit line up, UP E9-951, ATSF F7 trio-370 A,B,C and SP E9 6005. Of couse the highlight of the evening was the windbag mayor and his henchman who were present in a failed attempt to deflect inquisitive reporters seeking details of his latest scandal, cost me a good photo spot when his security goons ordered me to vacate…(do I hold a grudge or what?) It is truly a maganficient tribute to the classic age of railroading and is the among the last great one built. Soon it will lose its desigination as a stub end terminal, plans are afoot to e

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Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

Dave you sound good.

The television is on. What a joy to see Willie Mays!

Willie and Don Mueller

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Southern Pacific 4-8-8-2 Cab Forward locomotives

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Survivor 4294 is at Sacramento museum

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Wreck of the Federal Express

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Wednesday’s Witticism

Nerves is just which end of a six-gun you happen to be looking at.

G’day Gents!

Mid-week in mid-continent USA where petrol is on the rise! Was at $2.90 (rounded) yesterday afternoon. However, there was a ladder up against the price sign, so ya know those numbers have changed. Was $2.72 just the day before! [tdn]

Coffee’s ready - pastries fresh - ‘n breakfasts are ready for fixin’! C’mon . . . [tup]

Noticed we had a “visitor” over on “my other Thread” - suggest those of you who give a Rat’s Patoot, check it out ‘n invite the guy to stop by the bar! [yeah]

OBSERVATION: Still seeing “that” reluctance to use the RELOAD/REFRESH feature on the browser. It’s the ONLY way to ensure that the MOST CURRENT POSTS get displayed. Given that we don’t see many of the guys on a regular basis, it’s most important to “get it right” the first time. Think about it!

Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):

Dave at 3:56 PM ‘n 6:59 PM Tuesday - July 10th: Great to see our Left Coast Connection ‘n Super Sleuth Man of Mystery about the decks during the week! [wow] [bow] [tup]

Boris was in need of that rabies shot - good thinking! <g

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Ahoy Cap’n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth my deAH, set ‘em with all of the “jolts” they can handle in their OJ! I’m a bit early this day, but trying to take advantage of the time I’ve got . . . You’re lookin’ mighty fine little lady ‘n the old Larsman knows he’s still alive when looking at you! A mugga joe with a BK splash will do me just fine, thank you!

Tom, I’ll drop off an “invite” to the visitor over on your other thread on my way back home . . . good idea! [tup]

Boris, what’s this I hear about a rabies shot?!?!? Thought we took care of that right after you got into it with Tex . . . my, my how time flies! Good to see ya Dave, even if you haven’t seen me! [tup]

Did watch the all star game last night ‘n was surprised at how the NL just couldn’t get a run across the plate when needed. It isn’t as if they didn’t have chances. Thought it was a pretty good contest, except for the 9th inning for both sides. Surely don’t like this idea of determining the home game advantage as a result of who wins an exhibition game. Good Grief Charlie Brown! That idea, along with most from the “Commish” belong in the round file. [tdn]

Wonderful continuing display of photos from your trip to Canada ‘n Expo Rail. [wow] I’m sounding like a broken record, but those shots are really fine! Another 5-[tup] Salute to our Cap’n for taking the time to put these on-line for those who care and of course tho

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The original post by DD1:

“The year was 1969 and as we were pulling out of the railroad station in Santiago, Chile, the song “take the last train from Clarksville” by the Monkees was blareing from the platform PA system. We were headed south toward Concepcion on an overnight trip aboard a vintage passenger train pulled by an old Baldwin 4-6-0(I think). The passenger cars were old German built cars with lots of wood work. I made the mistake of sticking my head out the window and getting coal cinders in my eye. The train, by the way was in regular service, not rail fan. I have been back there since in 2002 and the train is no longer in service. They do have a very nice railroad museum there in Santiago and that’s where I suspect the old engine ended up, I hope. Food service on the train was very good and served meats, fish and poultry cooked over charcoal. At night, the porter would pull down the berths. Of course much of the great Chilean wines were consummed during our trip. I can recall overnight trips on the NYC way back when the 20th century limited hauled by a Hudson would gently rock me to sleep. Those days are gone forever and never to be repeated. I’m fortunate to have been able to experience them. Diesels and railfan trips are no way close to the real thing. I’m 72 and lucky to have come on the scene before it all disappeared for ever.”

Tom and Lars, I hope you have Guinness draught on tap. I thank you for your invite to this forum. I wanted to update the above post while still fresh in my mind.

The passenger equipment as I stated was German. I estimate there were built between WWI and WWII and were sold to Chile as the German railways system modernized. The track we were running on was metre gauge.

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The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of “Our” Place #16

The Milwaukee Road

<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 128 of the Original Thread>

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago**,** Milwaukee**,** St. Paul & Pacific (CM&StPP) - The Milwaukee Road

Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage: 1950: 10,664

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 803
Electric: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

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SPECIAL for DD1

[#welcome] Aboard! Happy to see you made it over to the best cyber bar 'n grill this side of the Ether. And of course we have ALL major brews on Earth, right here! Sorry, but we shy away from micro-breweries as they are much to hard to ship 'n most difficult to keep in stock.

Last things first: Not quite sure I understand what the problem might be regarding the scrolling reference to get to this Thread.

Some basics:

From the trains.com Forums main page - locate the Classic Trains (General Discussion) topic and click on it.

Next - click on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) topic - then find “Our” Place and click on the LAST PAGE shown. That should bring you to the top of whatever Page # is shown.

An alternative is to click on the little box shown after the cyber handle of the person who has last Posted here - that will bring you directly to that Post.

Now - some “things” you may want to know about us:

We are an inclusive place, quite unlike others found on sites like these. We try to acknowledge one another 'n engage in conversation.

Highly recommend you go to Page One of this Thread and check out the “precepts” within the first Post (mine). Then read through that Page to get the “gist” of things.