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G’day Guys!

I’ve got the bar … Leon the Night Man is “chowing down” on a couple of sirloins and an Italian sausage/pepperoni pizza! [wow]

Some activity to respond to:

West Coast S Dave

Appreciate your taking the time to respond in such an inclusive manner - sure wish everyone would be so thoughtful! [tup]

You’d actually prefer a good steak [?] [%-)][%-)] Well, perhaps a fine cut of Prime Rib …
[swg]

I think “the General” down in New Orleans summed it up for all time, “Stuck on stupid!” That sez it all insofar as the idiots who think they can get away with virutally anything - anytime, or better said, all of the time. My saying is, “You can’t fix stupid!” Either one fits the cirucmstances, dontcha think [?]

Appreciate the comments on the Fallen Flags. The majority of 'em have really gone either unnoticed, or simply not commented on. As I Posted a few pages back - I’m working with the hand I’m dealth, and that’s fine. [tup] But, back to those [purple]i*Fallen Flags*[/piurple] - the amplifying info is very much appreciated. Never would have known hadn’t you shared the info with us! [tup]

barndad Doug Appreciate the round - Boris Ring the bell! [tup] A bit perplexed - such a hit 'n run Post [?] That’s something we really don’t expect at “Our” Place, but it happens.

Your “Fallen Flag” is interesting. Hope you can come back for Sunday Photo Posting Day! Something that separates this thread from all of the others out there - I hope!

Don’t know if you’ve taken the time to check out all of the great stuff we’ve had Posted this week - but that’s your call!

Catch y’all later - Leon now has the bar. [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Hi tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please.

Tom The Rum Ration in the Royal Navy was stopped quite a few years ago I believe, although I think that beer etc. is still available aboard ship. At one of the Queens celebrations a few years ago when she reviewed the fleet, someone I know who was in the Navy, told me that the order " SPLICE THE MAINBRACE HER MAJESTY COMMANDS IT" was given and a special rum ration was issued. It sounds like a grand tradition[^].

Many thanksDAVE for the kind words.It is a great pleasure to be able to contribute to this wonderful bar and I am very much a novice to N. American railroads but OUR PLACE and Classic Trains is a great way to learn.

TROY Thanks for the info on the U.S.A. 0-6-0t engines. You are lucky to have such a good railway as the K&ESR so close [tup]. Looking forward to your photos Sunday.

ROB I have asked my mate for the info on the Immingham Tramcars but as his soccer team Shrewsbury Town have just been beaten by the bottom club 4-0 the answer may take a bit longer coming back [sigh]

TED Are we having turkey or back bacon or both Monday[?][:-,].Great idea for next Wednesday[tup][tup]. It has already made me think of quite a few memerable trips.

TOM Thanks for the flag[tup] How did the SOO line get its name.Great post on the East Coast Route. I ve got to go now but l’ll be back a bit later and I’ll add my [2c] worth if may PETE.

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Evenin’ Guys!

Nice crowd in the back room - pool tables are busy - Juke is blarin’ and the 3 large screen TV’s are on sports tonight! Looks like the Red Sox are finished! Too bad, I was kinda hoping for some “revenge” for last year’s sweep in the Series against the Cardinals. [swg]

Pete Two bits of info for ya:

(1) The Soo Line name comes from the pronunciation of Sault Ste. Marie (Soo Saint Marie is the loose Engli***ranslation.) Therefore, the “Soo” kinda fit, dontchathink [?]

(2) Splice the Main Brace

Many a time sea battles were won or lost depending on the ability to take out the sailing rigging of the enemy. Immediately after a battle, the first order of business was to get the men up into the rigging for essential repairs. The most critical of the “braces” for sailing ships was the fore 'n aft support for the vessel’s masts - the “main brace.” Splicing it (repairing it) earned the men an extra ration of “grog,” and of course even more for those who effected the repairs. The term has carried over to the days of steel ships, and as with most things like that - the true origin most probably has been lost. Nevertheless, sailors continue to know what it means, without really knowing!

Okay Boris Splice the main brace - I’ve been [#offtopic] [swg]

Enjoy the evenin’ [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Afternoon Tom and the gang …Round for the JWB if you please

Recieved a new DVD that’s heart pounding, edge of you seat anxiety attack
inducing, thought I share some of the highlights with you.

The subject matter is the day in the life of the Southern Pacific’s Permenete Local in the days immediate before Southern Pacific’s demise. The local was so named for the gympsum plant located at the end of the 38 mile Visonia Branch. Due to steep grades, some near 3%, Southern Pacific assigned three unit sets of GP-40’s to handle the typical 25-30 car trains, these locals also retained cabooses until the end to abide with local ordances. The local operated every day.

The line was restricted to 10mph operation over the 90lb. rail, no ballast and very little rountine maintaince. Sequence shots of these GP-40’s lifting from the rails and then dropping back down due to poor rail joints, missing spikes, splintered/rotten ties, missing bolt plates was enough to make one’s heart stop wondering if it would rerail itself or was a derailment in the offing.

The swaying of the entire train was enough to make one seek the relief of Dramamene, espically interesting was the effect on the trailing 25 cars as they did the lift, drop, but not all swayed in the same direction at the same time or same rate, sometimes the consits was spread over several sections of bad rail joints. From my engineering days, it occured to me that if the train crew did not get this condition under control quickly, soon physics would occure and put this train on the ground despite the best intentions from the crew.

More intrigue follows as the lead GP40 hits a poorly maintained track joint at a grade crossing, it’s plow tearing out pieces of timber material. The crew has to stop and notify the cities Public Works Department and the Dispatcher of this bit of trouble. Every dip and bad joint is a moment of heart pounding anticipation, sixty minutes worth and so the Southern Pacifc I r

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Hi tom and all.
A pint of bathams and a medium- well steak please [tup].

TOM Thanks for the origin of Splice the Mainbrace.I have heard it many times but never knew where it came from.

On the East Coast route. Today it is still the fastest to the places mentioned, it isrun by GNER with mostly MK.4 stock hauled by class 91 electrics and a few HSTs which carry on north of Edinburgh on the non-electrified lines. Although it breaks my heart to say so, living on the West coast main line,in my humble opinion they are the best trains running in Britain FAR FAR FAR better than the new Pendelinos. Also the service on the GNER I have found to be first rate.

Getting back to the time of the poster, there was a great rivairy between the West and East routes. IN 1888 and again in1895 there was what was known as the Railway Races to the North. The 1895 race was brought about by the opening of the Forth Bridge thus making the East Coast route the shorter to the Granite City Aberdeen.After a few nights racing in which the trains got lighter and less stops were made the West Coast was the winner. Although the last part of the line to Aberdeen for the East Coast was over Caledonian Railway metals, a West Coast partner,and it is said that the signalman at Kinnerbar Junction gave the West Coast the advantage. Still for that time and the smallness of the locos some remarkable running was achieved One of the West Coast locos a 2-4-0 named HARDWICKE is in the National Railway Museum in York.

Not long after the races there were some serious derailments in England which were
said to have been caused by speeding the Goverment stepped in and the two rivals signed an agreement of ,I think, of not lessthan 8 hours between London and Edinburgh. This lasted till the 1930,s.

Some of the East Coast Expresses at the time were hauled by Stirling 7feet driving wheel 4-2-0s. The 'single wheelers having a come back with the event ot steam sanding. A trully Classic Locomo

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Evenin’ Gents!

Better catch up while I’ve got the chance … [swg]

Dave Thanx for the round! Boris Do your thing! No, no, no - let me rephrase that … arghhhhhhh! Ring the bell - the bell! [swg]

Your depiction makes me wonder why in the world would the SP risk it [?] Really makes no sense to me to run trains with conditions as you described. Bet the guys “loved” working that route. [tdn]

Before too many pages get racked up, suggest you check a couple out - we’ve had some pretty interesting sutff - as usual this week. [tup]

Pete Nice supplement to the British Rail Nostalgia Posted earlier back on page 130. I had read about the “races,” and found the accounts rather fascinating for sure. Serious business, wasn’t it [?]

Glad you enjoyed the Post on the East route and expect to see a couple of more “posters” as I dig through my modest library of RR books. By the by - THANX very much for those RR magazines you gave me aboard the train last week. Very much appreciated indeed. [tup]

Okay Boris Find the bell and ring it - the bell, B-E-L-L <why am I spellilng anything to this dim witted alien, two left footed, cloven beast of a humanoid [?]> Thanx for the round, Pete

Later - maybe! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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right,Ive just read through that lot and Im absolutely entranced,Gentlemen all,you have done us proud--in advance of sunday pix-BK-resolution on T.G.V pix too poor to be worth transmitting-only thumbnail shots-not enough pixels, sorry-,A.P.T. shots should work though-approaching max resolution,sorry about "blurring", MANAGER TED-as promised,find on sunday the best shot I could find of Glyn Valley Tramway "Sir Theodore"-techie detail available if required,suffice to say,24.25" gauge roadside tramway,also rostered a Baldwin 4-6-0t-pic for PETE included-find also pic of Midland Yankee mogul .-as far as I can tell,the Schenectady version only had a single dome,but would be happy to be corrected,(darling…)…Well,its only fair to warn you all,Ive submitted a double batch of pix to [4:-)]TOM this week-the first batch are a selection of prototype pix that should tie into recent posts (sort of )…and the second batch is (or are…) layout pix-unedited deliberately to give " warts anall" honest portrayel of state of progress,all comment welcome,will post key to pix between now & then—slightly wild-eyed tonight,a lively evening “knockin em dead” in Tenby, a room full of sweet young things,all wearing less than I would have advised for a hot summers day by the pool plus a big group of rugby players who were obviously up for anything,plus the usual surf bums,drug casualties,aging hippies etc that make up our target demographic,all rising to the occaision and leaping up and down,singing along and generally providing a most gratifying response–I only hope tomorrow night`s show in Cardigan goes as well-sleep well gentlemen,moonlight mile for me…nick[C=:-)]

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Good evening tom and the crew. Busy ,busy,busy day today. I tell you as soon as Thanksgiving approaches the credit cards come out at the storeThe xmasshopping feeding frenzy begins Tom & Ted contrary to your thought I did not miss the Thanksgiving hints. Just as a typical Canadian I didn’t want you to go out on a limb for a speacial feast just for one loan Canuk, though Tom you are married to one , and Fergie popped in so bring it on [dinner] Ted a turkey stuffed with a maple basted ham wrapped in back bacon should suffice [swg] tom, Nick & Pete excellant stuff on the Brit rail scene , trains good I say [tup] troy Unfortunatly the email didn’t make it through. Maybe try my direct email instead of the forums.IT should reach me without difficulty that way. I’ll send you another with the address shortly. Tom another good FF choice. Soo line is an interesting road as Dave had mentioned shortage of funds allowed some niceold locos to soldier on to and through the 90’s. You will remember two sunday’s ago I posted that shot of a Soo GP9 still with a Highhood switchinf in downtown Chicago, i have a few other shots from that day as well. At the time there was 6 geeps working the various tracks that day. The GP9’s and 7’s really were/ are workhorses. when CP took them over alot of the geeps were remanufactured with low shorthoods and continue in yeoman service.don’t think todays “technotoasters” will ever still be viable 50+ years on. Also I agree with you on the assertion that the grande railway hotels were designed for the gentry. Still makes for some good history, don’t you think? So i guess that hotel accomadations for TO next may will mean that the Royal york is out then [?] [swg] Let me snag a round for everyone, hope to see everyone at the saurkraut eating contest tomorrow. I have brought in some authentic Kitchener waterloo home made stuff just for the occation, as well,several kegs of fine carlsburg br

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Okay as promised yesterday: classic juice # 3 The Montreal and Southern Counties RY.This was an interurban line ment to link the city of Montreal with the southern Counties on the shores of the St Lawrence River.

The MS&C was originally chartered federally inan act of parliament in 1897.To provide service from montreal to st lambert. A second act in 1898 allowed them to build into the counties of,Beauharnois , Chateaugay , Huntingdon , and Napierville .A third act in 1902 authorized tha MS&C to enter into agreements with other railways on the South shore of the St lawrence.and eastern township areas. An act passed in 1905 allowed them to buy out a local bus line the South shore auto car company. they were slow to build from their initial start up date of 1897,indeed until a great deal of money came from the Grand Trunk railway. Little was actually built until GT allowed the MS&C to use the Victoria Bridge to cross the river to the southern counties this happened in 1905.

In november 1909 passenger service comenced between Montreal and St lambert. They ran as an independant company until 1911 when ownership went to the GT proper.and continued that way as a CNR franchise till discontiuance in 1956.Adding on of lines was slow and cautious. They reached Longiel in 1910 ( this was a point just east of the preasant day Jacques Cartier bridge )Ranelagh in 1911, Greenfield park i& Mackayvile in 1913,Chambly,Richelieu,and Mariesville in 1914. The town of Laprairie recieved a franchise in 1914 but never got the line built. The extension made it as far as Abbotsford and Granby in late 1915. With the final expansion to mariesville and Ste Angele completed in 1926 20 + years to build 50 miles of railway!

All the cars and equipment were of Canadain manufacture with the Ottawa car company building the bulk. All werebuilt narrow to accomadate the dimensions of the Victorian designed Victoria bridge.Most of the cars were wood bod

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Good morning Tom and gents! I’ll have ice tea and leftover pizza that’s been sitting around since night.
Sorry about the incomplete post last night, but when the boss gets home, I must go go go! I went back to that post and added some info and links to it. I’m still trying to figure out who the Pawnee Railroad is, and how they tie into CIM history. There is/was a CIM railfan page, but it’s no longer functioning.
Today is unfortunately NOT an IRM day for me. We have a kid here who is testing for a belt in TaeKwonDo, and the boss has determined that my carcass will be there. Oh well … I’ll just go tomorrow, and maybe get in some Doodlebug work as well as prepping our U30C for painting. Anyone want some genuine 1974 green paint chips?
By the way … I see nothing wrong with the sweep of the

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SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Saturday OKTOBERFEST at ”Our” Place starts at Noon!

We feature GERMAN brew all month!

GERMAN sausages are on the menu for the month, with all the trimmings!

The Mentor Village Teutonic Society will sponsor Oompah Music live at the “Our” Place picnic grounds Pavillion and Dance Emporium! Performers include the Sauerkraut Band, Electric Lederhosen and Burst the Wurst Trio

Lederhosen and Alpine hats will be worn by “Our Place”! staff throughout the month!

Full scale LGB trains will be running on the main lines for free round trips to Can-Am Gorge on weekends – 10 AM to 4 PM. First northbound departs the ”Our” Place platform at 10 AM sharp, undt ve mean, sharp![swg]

PLAN TO SHARE THIS FALL CELEBRATION WITH US!

Info for the Day:

Comin’ Events:

Sunday, Oct 9th Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Monday, Oct 10th Canadian Thanksgiving Day! Also, Columbus Day holiday in U.S.
Wednesday, Oct 12th: The 6th month Anniversary of the c

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Good Morning Gang!

I’m a wee bit under “it” this AM - “dreamt” I was awake all night! [|)] Just retgurned from the morning mile with Juneau the Wonder Husky (and Mascot of “Our” Place). Now that the temps are in the low 40’s during early mornin’, the walks are rather brisk as is the air. We both love it … [tup]

I see there’s some activity to respond to, so I’ll give it a “go.”

Nick You party animal - don’t know how you do it - but Gawd love ya, mate. Must be a tough life, having to perform for such lively and attractive folks. Surely would keep my blood pumpin’ [swg]! Party on! [tup]

All the pix came thru (Email sent to you) and they will wind up on the Sunday Photo Posting Day! in two installments. Gotta spread ‘em out in order to keep the guys comin’ back and of course keep our thread “up” on the page. [tup] Thanx.

Rob Carol - my Canadian - says that the turkey preparation is just fine, but go ahead and skip the 'Possum stuffing! That’s a nice touch, a back bacon wrap 'round the bird. [swg]

Sauerkraut eating contest [?] Really [?] Good Gawd Gertie - I hope we have sufficient “suds” to wash it all down - and away! [swg] Boris stay AWAY from that tent - no, no, no - you do quite well without the added “energy.”

Doug Two things: First - an apology for my rather abrupt manner. Seems that I had been watching one of our “regulars” dance 'round with the Phantom Browsing bit on and off for a couple of days. Kinda ticks me off that he doesn’t Post - but that’s my problem, not yours. Forgiveness! [swg]

Second: I think it’s great the White Sox made it to the next round - it’s only right that the best team in the AL did so. Congrats to them and their fans. [wow][yeah] Now, I’m am in no way sad that the Red Sox lost - however, if YOUR team ha

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G’day and good luck to all of you, “as much as you can eat” Saurkraut (“Victory Gabbage”) Contestants. PHEW! There will be a special area corridoned off for this one time only event. Bunson burners are prudently located about and in sufficient numbers to allay any offensive social indiscretions.[#oops] Tom, in keeping with the weekly observance of “October Fest,” I’ll have a Lowenbrau Dunkle Bier in my personall Stein, if you please, viele danke. Please remember Tomorrow is “Photo Posting Day.” No need to be backward or shy. If you doubt the quality of your pix; wait until you see the rubbish I have on offer.[:O]

Rob, your erudition on the M. & S.C. Rwy is a virtuoso effort.[tup] BTW, Carol, Fergie, Chris and Rob, the “Our” Place pantry is fully stocked and under Nick’s professional guidance. The Dominion’s Thanksgiving Day Banquet should leave nothing unattended for Every Member’s enjoyment and palate. The proverbial Turkey will, of course, be the principal entree prepared as prescribed.[^]

Between Nick, Pete and Troy, a very welcome “breath of rarified air” is now a “custom” feature for all to enjoy. Are we a “cosmopolitan” group, or what?[tup] [tup] Nick I am anxiously awaiting the Glyn Valley Tramway pix tomorrow. My guess is this narrow gauge Rwy will have the same quaint charm as the Village of Skibbereen, Ireland, my maternal Great Grandfather’s birth place. I don’t doubt he would’ve been very familiar with the Line, thanks for remembering.

West Coast Dave, the trundeling, teetering, motion of cars on the S. P. ROW brings to mind some Short Lines I have witnessed in total disbelief.[:O] If we were to effect this phenomenon on our model Pikes, people would ridicule it. Yet, sadly, it was quite a common sight along nearly abandoned lonely spurs. I did witness a U.S.R.A. 0-6-0 derail near my father’s offices in K.C., MO back in the 1940’s. It took a 100 ton R.R. Crane to fin

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And now for something a bit different, but somehow appropriate for Oktoberfest!

European commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as “Euro-English”.

In the first year, “s” will replace the soft “c”. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy.
The hard “c” will be dropped in favour of “k”. This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome “ph” will be replaced with “f”. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent “e” in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing “th” with “z” and “w” with “v”.

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary “o” kan be dropd from vords kontaining “ou” and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.

Enjoy! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Oh Teddy Bear I’m waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiting!

You haven’t forgotten YOUR Chrissy now have you [?] [sigh]

Mornin’ Mr. Manager Ted - I see YOU have someone waitin’ for ya; she’s been here since yesterday mornin’ for cripes sake! Give the gal a break, man.

Appreciate the “plug” for our upcoming 6th Month Anniversary on Oct 12th! Should be a winner, given that the guys share some of their PERSONAL railroadin’ experiences. Silver Throttle Awards get recommended by the Manager and approved by the Committee. That should keep it straight enough … [tup]

I’ve got one more Post to make this AM, just to keep our thread “honest” and in keeping with our theme of CLASSIC TRAINS!. Watch for it!

Enjoy the OKTOBERFEST! and watch out for the brown and green clouds behind the Sauerkraut eating contest tent! Repulsive, eh [?] Ah, the spirit of it all! [swg]

Gotta run …

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Repeated for the sake of Nostalgia …

Caveat: If you recall, I had stated that these Fallen Flags represent just some of the PASSENGER roads that I appreciate. They are not inclusive by any means … Amtrak & VIA Rail are included because I like 'em! [swg]

[img] http://www.trainboard.com/Avata

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Good morning Tom and folks. Thanks for the appreciatiomn of theMS&C classic juice bit. Nice to know that it was liked.[tup]I’m in early for the festivities cause it’s an in and out day. ( Happens when one works in retail and gets a saturday off [sigh] ) I’ve found a few more interesting MS&C shots so on Sunday they will appear. To help with the “event” I have brought aklong my assistants from KW Helga and Hilda the look alike mother daughter team. ( best not to ask or look them in the eye for extended periods [alien] ) They vil make sure vat vee are having fun Also not to worrry lots of premimum carlsburgh to wash it all down or out with. [:O][xx(] Pete I’m looking forward to the tram info once your friend recovers from his teams demise [swg] It should answer the questions about that I have about them. Now remeber the contest begins at 11:30 ( to allow contestants time to recover before the entertainment begins)Helga says that you vil not use yur handz or Hilda vill tie yur handz bak ! Enjoy.[swg][:O] Rob

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Good Morning Tom Time for a coffee and a couple of thoise bakery delights from the Mentor Bakery.
Will give a short follow up to the B&O domes. In 1952 all five B&O domes were shopped and after having lights mounted on the the right side roofs forward of the domes became the first and only dome cars that could light up the countryside at night. These floodlights as they were referred to in B&O literature were nothing more than locomotive headlights with each putting out 250 watts. They were mounted on the roofs at angles of 60,70, 80 and 85 degrees from the cars centerline. An ice breaker was mounted ahead of the lights to protect them from hanging icicles in tunnelsand at stations having overhead platforms. The lights were used outside of the major towns and turned off when passing through heavily populated areas.
The CN leased the three dome sleeping cars between May 1966 and and March 1968 and operated them one per consist in the SUPER CONTINENTAL between Edmonton and Vancouver and did use the night lighting feature as the train wound its way up the Fraser and Thompson River canyons at night. The above quote is from notes I have compiled over the last twenty years on dome cars in the hope of someday releasing an in depth book on the subject of dome cars. The two previous books on dome cars have been somewhat lacking in information. One was from Superior the other was from Kalmbach. I really had to go into my notes to find this information just thought I would share with the group.

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Ah yes Chrissy! Not to worry Tom, this ravenous beauty shall not be denied her any wish.[^] I’ll try one of Rob’s highly touted Carl’sberg biers please. Zo, du hast relatifes im dem Alten Land, nicht zo? No, I won’t tell jokes from the smallest book in the world: “200 Years of German Humo(u)r.”[(-D] I’m just checking in to see how the entertainment is “going over.” Looks like the “Brat Burst Oompah-pah Band” was the biggest “crowd pleaser.” That is, until the wind shifted and all but the Tuba Player passed out.[V]

HeyTom, more good data on Fallen Flags! I first noticed the Soo Line when travelling through Iowa, Minnesota and the Dokatas. I actually saw a string of standard heavyweights in tow along side a State highway but lost them before seeing the power units.[:(] Barndad, those are rare Logos indeed. Looking forward to seeing the prototypes that wore the heraldry. I think I mentioned seeing a G. M. & O. Fairbanks Morris diesel streamliner just south of Jolliet, IL barreling south along U.S. Rt. 66 in the late 50’s. I was “barreling” north toward Chicago, so it was a brief encounter. The old F. M. was in a pitiable state, belching clouds of blue smoke in its’ wake hauling a mixed consist of passenger cars. You would think this “string” was put together by a youngster in his first months of model R.R.ing. I couldn’t stop laughing for miles ahead. Oh BTW, the triple boiler (Brit entry) suggested and pictured by pwolfe (hope I’m right) easily captured the steam “eye sore” catagory and Rob’s octagonal cab ran a very close second. My “Camel Back” Central of N.J./L.I. R.R. didn’t even rate “honorable mention.” Couldn’t find a consensus for the most nauseating livery. Maybe we can “run” that one by again when things slow down this winter? There is too much good stuff happening at present.[tup]

I haven’t retrieved all of my North Shore Line material yet. I’ll get on it a.s.a.p.! Truth is, I’m not able to find one of my

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Good Day Everyone – and a special hello to the Proprietor and staff. Looks like a fine day for your celebration of the harvest. Nice going. I think I will have one of those German lagers over there in the beer tent.

My contribution to this event will be some German locomotive data:

First – the Royal Bavarian State Railway (KBStB), 1908

Class S 3/6 4-6-2 (1923 series)

Axleload: 39,500lb (18t)

Cylinders, HP (2) 16.7 X 24.0in (425 X 610mm)

Driving wheels: 73.6in (1.870mm)

Heating surface: 2.125sq ft (197.4m2)

Superheater: 798sq ft (74.2m2)

Steam pressure: 228psi (16kg/cm2)

Grate area: 48.8sq ft (4.5m2)

Fuel: 18,800lb *8.5t)

Water: 6,030gal (7.240US)

Adhesive weight: 116,000lb (53t)

Total weight: 328,500lb (149t)

Length overall: 69ft 11in (21,317mm)

Second – Royal Prussian Union Railway (KPEV), 1922

Class P10 2-8-2

Tractive effort: 40,400lb (18,200kg)

Axle load: 43,00lb (19.5t)

Cylinders: (3) 20.5 x 26.0in (520 x 660mm)

Driving wheels: 68.9in (1,750mm)

Heating surface: 2.348sq ft (218.2m2)

Superheater; 883sq ft (82m2)

Steam pressure: 200psi (14kg/cm2)

Grate area: 43.8sq ft (4.07m2)

Fuel: 15,430lb (7.0t)

Water: 6,930gal (8,320 us) (31.5m3)

Adhesive weight: 167,000lb (77t)

Total weight: 243,500lb (110.5t)

Length overall: 75ft 5in (22,980mm)

Third – German Federal Railway (DB) 1953

Class 01.10 4-6-2

Tractive effort: 37,200lb (16,830kg)

Axle load: 44,500lb (20.2t)

Cylinders: (3) 19.7 x 26.0 in (500 x 600mm)

Driving wheels: 78x7in (2,000mm)

Heating surface: 2,223sq ft (206.5m2)

Superheater: 1,035sq ft (96.2m2)