Just a few words this fine day in acknowledgment of the Posts that have come in. And, yes – we areCLOSED on Sundays. However, it IS SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and we’d like to check out your Classic offerings …… [tup]
trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Oct 2002, 00:25:30 and 00:44:21
Another fine Inclusive Post! from Charter Member and Permanent Stool honoree, Rob! [tup]
Nice “wiggle” try in getting off the “hook” regarding the E8s. [tdn] Just watch it, Buster, you’ve stirred the nest and when that happens, one just never knows from which direction “it” will come ……. [swg]
While Saturdays have been relegated to a precious few, it is nice to know that the Encore! pieces are being received so well. We only have a few reading – just check out the SUMMARY for names and times – but they have generated some fantastic input. [tup]
All our talk of Canadian Tire has rekindled the flame for another trip “home” to Nova Scotia. Man oh man are we ever disappointed with that turn of events. The air fares have wiped out our Thanksgiving plans and no tellin’ when we’ll make the journey, at least in the short term. Paying upwards of $1200 for what used to be less than half of that for air travel is simply out of the question …… Also, VIA Rail and their use of the Renaissance “Euro cars” has stifled any desire on my part to travel from Montreal to Halifax with them. So it appears that an era of about 16 years of ridin’ the “Ocean” has come to an end. [:(]
Appreciate your Pix and descriptions. You like “kickin’ off” these SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! activities, dontcha [?] [swg]
Okay, I’ll drop this “In the Slot” (Pop tune from the 60’s)." Looks like photo posting Sunday is off to a good start. Yesterday, there were also some informative posts which were “on taget” and easy to read.[tup]
It was MoPac in Dodge City, KA that I first saw “polling” used in the yards (1962). They were using “on the fly” (free wheeling) maneuvers as well. I thought this practice was prohibited back in the late 1950’c but apparantly not. As a long time “train watcher” at the Frisco gravity (“hump”) yards in West Tulsa, OK, these methods seemed primitive at best and dangerous, to say the least. Often I wondered how gondolas, box, hoppers, et al., with their bulk heads “bowed” in (concave) or out (convex) came to such grief. My question was answered in Dodge City. Early R.R.ing was always a dangerous trade and the industry allowed “bad habits to die hard.” Great “Encores” Tom. [tup] [tup] [tup]
Rob, not a problem with my pix. Just grateful that they finally arrived. Hey, you send good mail, much appreciated.[tup] And, in regard to the E-5, E-6 and E-7’s, I must agree their lines were more graceful and aestheically pleasing to the eye than their progeny the E-8. But hey, I prefer the asymetrical, awkard appearance of a gas-electric to the Budd RDC, so what do I know. Design and function “rules the roost,” not aesthetics, right?[V] As my Pappy would have said: “colors are made for taste!” Love those Witts pix Rob, great entry[^] Earlydiesels, barndad and passengerfan Al, I really took something away from your fine posts, thanks.
Hope everyone has a safe and happy weekend. I’ll see you tomorrow at the Halloween/Boris Bash. Happy rails.
Hello Tom and rest of the gang. Since we’re closed today, I’ll just slip this through the slot. Here’s my contribution to today’s Sunday Photo Day:
ex-BAR GP38 taken on ex Frisco’s Wamego to Fredonia, KS lline in Cherryvale, which crossed the Santa Fe line there. The diamond can be seen just ahead of the exNS/NW locomotive, and the Frisco depot was located just to the left of the diamond. I assume these locomotives are SKO.
Just checking out submissions for photo day. Russell, the HQ for Watco’s SK&O is the old ATSF depot out of your picture. This was restored several years ago and in addition to being the ops center for this line, it houses a large model railroad. Occasional excursions are operated out of here.
I am learning that there was a lot more to the Mop than their small operation here in Spfld. One of the recent rail mags carried an article regarding 1 man’s attempt to photograph all the Mop power in his town. Love the looks of those Alco PAs with the big eagle across the nose!
Even when an Eunit is at rest, it still looks like it’s eating up the rails. This is true even of the later bulldog nose units. The longer snooted Es are more graceful but the later ones look more balanced, at least to me. Try sitting in the engineer’s seat—it provides no visibility but an awesome sense of speed and power not found in freight units.
I better stop as this note is getting so long I may not be able to get it thru the mail slot.
Hello again Tom and all. I’m back again with a couple of more photos. Dan, ironically one of these photos is of the Santa Fe depot in Cherryvale. Yes, you’re right that it’s one of SKO’s major facilities. I noticed it wasn’t as “clean” as when I visited it back in 1996. I think the layout belongs to the Cherry Valley Model Railroad club. I was able to peek inside then.
Here’s the depot. I like the arches especially the ones at the drive through entrance. The other arches cover the outside passenger waiting area. The depot was built during 1909-1910 at the cost of $18,000 dollars, and is the only one of this style left on the old Santa Fe’s Southern KS lines. Restored in 1992. Mirrored copy of depot is in Plainview, TX.
Here’s the Santa Fe/Frisco diamond in Cherryvale. This is looking North on Santa Fe’s line and the Frisco’s line is running East and West. The Frisco depot sat to the left on this side of the diamond out of the picture. Santa Fe and Frisco shared a three block long sidewalk for passengers that connected the two depots. Note the old train order pole on the other side of the diamond.
I believe this attraction to passenger trains is beginning to have a positive impact on me, for I could look at those marvelous pictures of yours for hours. Very well done and how fortunate you are to have been able to make as many trips aboard the “Ocean” has you have. Last week it was the locomotives and now the carriages!
You alluded to perhaps not traveling to Nova Scotia by train, thereby ending your rail experiences in that part of the world. I believe we both understand the phenomenon of change. It is all about, some good, some not, but always inevitable. The end of those Budd cars on the Via Rail route was just a matter of time, just as one day they will no longer grace the route of the “Canadian.” You are indeed fortunate to have so many postiive memories, and your photographs, to keep those trips vivid and up front in your mind.
Appears as if fate stepped in on your behalf regading the 3000th posting. Appears to be only proper that it should fall upon you, given the contributions you have made to this venture called “Our” Place. Well done!
Speak with you ujpon my return either the end of the the week or the following.
I don’t believe it. My reply was knocked off with a “error occured” message from Kalmbach. Okay, I’ll include it in a breakfast message tomorrow. Don’t want to chance it again for now.
Good Evening everyone Just thought I would post this for the morning crowd.
TEXAS EAGLES 21-22
The second sets of TEXAS EAGLES were actually two trains in one operating between St. Louis and Palestine, Texas. At that point the southbound TEXAS EAGLES split into two trains one destined for Houston and Galveston the other destined for San Antonio. The two northbound trains that originated in those cities became one again each afternoon in Palestine.These TEXAS EAGLES often ran to as many as eighteen cars between St. Louis and Palestine. The train out of St. Louis carried a pair of dining lounge cars for food service one dewstined for San Antonio the other Houston. Again power for the new streamliners was EMD E7A -B units or Alco PA units. The passenger roilling stock for these TEXAS EAGLES came from American Car & Foundry except for the sleeping cars that came from Pullman Standard. All three of the TEXAS EAGLES carried through sleeping cars to and from the east coast. The New York bound sleeping cars traveled east of St. Louis in the PRR PENN TEXAS and the Washington bound cars traveled in the B&O NATIONAL LIMITED. The new TEXAS EAGLES were inaugurated August 15, 1948.
CONSIST ONE
7011EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit
7011B EMD 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit
814 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car
(St. Louis - Houston)
820 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Houston)
831 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Houston)
832 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Galveston)
870 Grill 9-Seat lunch Counter 8-Seat Dinette 36-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)
894 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)
844 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)
822 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)
Good evening gentlemen. Tom I’m raiding the beer fridge for a nice cold Black label,I’ll leave a fiver in the tub for it.[;)] I do like leading off the sunday parade don’t I[?] Oh well least i’m consistent[;)][:D]
It was nice to hear from Nick as well[:0][;)] What poor thread did he accidentally confuse with his psot ment for us[?]
Tom , Russel , Doug Nice pictures folks, a nice cross section of the things we love. Beautiful Via shots from the boss, steam and passenger rebuilding projects from Doug ( glad you popped by ) [tup][:)]. Russel loved the station, beautifull old building,oh the GP isn’t too bad either. I do like that paint job. Kinda New englandy and shades of the old CPR as well.[^]
Ted thank’s for the moral support on the E’s. Though that means the angry swarm may be after you as well.[:0][B)][xx(]. I will get your pictures up and running soon,thanks for the time extention[tup] oh Tomorrow i may not be able to make it till after the screaming is done. I’m working all day 8 to 6 my time and I’m a half hour from home at work so. I figure 8pm the earliest I’ll make it. That may be hit and miss as well depending on how many young gouls come to our door. ( PC’s in the basement )
Al Wonderfull streamliner information, I hope it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle either. [tup][;)]
A couple more pictures as well I think. Why not.[8)][:p]
A shot of an Ontario Southland ( OSR ) RS 23 diesels. Former CP engines. These are at the Guelph junction yard just accross the tracks from the Go Milton units I shared with you folks last Sunday.
Closer up shot of the RS23’s
A before repainting shot of the OSR RS 23. This time it’s pictured
G’day Gents! The last day of the month is the beginning of the work week! All kinds of “things” going on, including Halloween! and Boris’ Birthday Bash [?]!! [swg]
Best take advantage of the fresh pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our freshly brewed coffee and the breakfasts. [tup]
Info for the Day:
(1) Today is Boris’ Bash[bday] and Halloween Party! Plan to be here between Noon and 7 PM! Given the vast differences in time zones, let’s just call it “Eastern Time,” since this is Manager Ted’s show. [swg]
(2) The Selection Committee for the Order of the Stools will release the results of their October meeting on Wednesday. Watch for it!
INDEXMonday’s only!
Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”
Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Norfolk & Western (N&W)]
Headquarters: Roanoke, VA
Mileage: 1950: 2,129
Locomotives in 1963:
Diesel: 610
Rolling stock in 1963:
Freight cars: 75,621
Passenger cars: 251
Principal routes in 1950:
Lambert’s Point (Norfolk), VA-Columbus, OH Portsmouth-Cincinnati, OH
Lynchburg, VA-Durham, NC Roanoke-Hagerstown, MD
Roanoke-Winston-Salem, NC Walton-Bristol, VA
Bluefield, WV-Norton, VA
Passenger trains of note:
Pocahontas (Norfolk-Cincinnati & Columbus) Birmingham Special (New York-Birmingham, AL; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cavalier (Norfolk-Cincinnati) Pelican (New York-New Orleans, LA; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Powhatan Arrow (Norfolk-Cincinnati) Tennessean (New York-Memphis, TN; joint with PRR and SR; operated by N&W Lynchburg-Bristol)
Cannon Ball (Norfolk-New York; joint with ACL; RF&P; and PRR; operated by N&W Norfolk-Petersburg)
Of Note: In 1964, the N&W added the Wabash and Nickel Plate road to its system along with the Columbus-Sandusky line of the PRR, which the PRRR sold to the N&W. In 1981, the N&W added selected lines of the Illinois Terminal RR to its system. This Fallen Flag focuses on the pre-1964 N&W.
Just a few words this fine day in acknowledgment of the Posts from yesterday’s SUNDY PHOTO POSTING DAY!
Four of us took the time to participate by posting Pix – thanx to trolleyboy Rob – barndad Doug and Trainnut484 Russell!
passengerfan Al As mentioned, your efforts regarding those elaborations on the MoPAC and Texas Eagles are interesting and thorough efforts. I will be resubmitting them this week if only to ensure that they do not get “lost” in the Ether. Well done, Mate! [tup][tup]
Theordorebear Ted Your Emails and have been received and responded to – thanx! [tup]
Appears as if we’ve got something “brewin’” regarding not only the EMD E8s, but now a not-so-complimentary remarks about MY RDCs!!! Hmmmmmm.
earlydiesels Dan Looks like it’s you and me regarding those E8s! [swg] [tup] Glad you stopped by to check out the Pix!
pwolfe Pete Hopefully you’ll be getting’ on board with the Pix submissions. Keep in mind that you can always send ‘em to me as Email attachments …. I’ll Post ‘em for ya!
Your Email was received and responded to – thanx! [tup] See in Hermann on the 19th!
BudKarr BK As is becoming somewhat repetitive – thanx for the continuing support! Means a lot, especially with your submissions over on my new thread. I’ll let that run for a bit, just to test the waters, so to speak. Getting’ just one new customer over here would make it all worth the effort.
See ya soon and have a safe trip …… by the way, Email received and responded to – th
Good Morning All, coffe please, round for the hoisue and $for the jukebox. Since it is Halloween, let’s start off with two tunes, "Miner’s Silver Ghost ,"followed by “Uncle Billy Richardson’s Last Ride.”
Lots of fascinating stuff posted over the weekend. I enjoyed reading through all of it and learned a lot. My compliments to the writers/researchers. The Fallen Flags postings are real memory joggers. Also seeing the pictures of the Toronto Witts answered a question I had re their paint schemes. Does the Toronto system have any of them left that they run on special occasions like the Boston folks do with some of their cars?
Since we are looking at classic passenger material. Here’s some more information on the Crescent ca. 1930
This was an L&N/A&WP/SOU/PRR operation
Northbound
Lv. New Orleans 9:00 p.m. – L&N
Lv. Mobile 1:15 a.m. – L&N
Arr. Montgomery 6:25 a.m. – L&N
Arr. Atlanta 11:40 a.m. – A&WP
Arr. Spartanburg 5:30 p.m. – SOU
Arr. Charlotte 7:25 p.m. – SOU
Arr. Lynchburg 12:40 a.m. - SOU
Arr. Washington 5:20 a.m. – SOU
Arr. Baltimore 6:35 a.m. – PRR
Arr. W. Phila. 8:43 a.m. – PRR
Arr. No. Phila. 8:55 a.m. – PRR
Arr. New York 10:45 a.m. – PRR
Southbound
Lv. New York 8:40 p.m. – PRR
Lv. No. Phila 10:34 p.m. – PRR
Lv. W. Phila. 10:49 p.m. – PRR
Lv. Baltimore 12:57 a.m. – PRR
Lv. Washington 2:10 a.m. – SOU
Lv. Lynchburg 6:52 a.m. – SOU
Lv. Charlotte 12:01 p.m. – SOU
Lv. Spartanburg 1:50 p.m. – SOU
Lv Atlanta 6:05 p.m. – A&WP
Lv. Montgomery 11:30 p.m. – L&N
Lv. Mobile 4:22 a.m. – L&N
Arr. New Orleans 8:30 a.m. – L&N
Some fine photo posts yesterday. Rob, Russell, Tom and Doug came through like the 7th Cavalry to save the day. Doug are there plans for the restoration of the steam loco pictured? That is a grand “old lady” and surely deserves a “make over.” Tom, the N. & W., yet another Flag of which I’m unfamiliar. Except for seeing endless coal hoopers (per the C. & O.), up until now, I thought it was a freight only Road. Al, what a great “breakdown” of the Texas Eagles I and II. The number of cars built by A.C. & F. surprised the heck out of me. Mopac’s Eagles had such a great livery and reminded me a little bit of the old N.Y.C. “grays” decor.
Tom, I’ll just snag a Bear Claw and a cuppa that fine Master Blend, thanks. Hey, nobody appreciates the later diesel locos and rail cars more than yours truly.[^] Its just that when it comes to the “Golden Years,” those late arrivals simply weren’t around. I could really get into “deep do do,” if I devulged my tastes on the 1960’s to present motive power.[:O] I should admit that I prefer the smooth side cars to stainless because the painted livery is distinctive to each Road. Stainless steel is sort of like that old saying: “If you’ve seen a shopping center, you’ve seen a mall.” Ooooh![V]
Nick [C=:-)] has laid on some diversions for “It’s a Boris’ Halloween” Ba***hat sound a lot more fun than anything I conjured up. I mean, how much “fun” can pin the tail on the “Bikni Witches” posterior be? “Trick or Meat, Hollow Weenies, Grab Bag and Shag” are all fine for Boris’ [bday] but Nick has the right idea for the traditional holiday spirit.[tup] Rob, see what you will be missing from Noon 'til 7 p.m.? Just as well, I understand from Inspector Clueless that vampire bat season started last mid-night.[xx(] Barndad may arrive as the “Headless Horseman,” Tom is our resident Awk festooned “Pirate of Pinzanse,” Peter is coming with Juneau in tow as the Wolf, D
I see we’re off to a fine start and thought it best to try and keep up with the acknowledgments:
coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 07:57:33
Nice break down on the Crescent. I’ve done a bit of research on that train once or twice, in that I think my mother and I traveled that Southern beauty back in 1950 from Mobile to NYC. The times you listed and the ones that I’ve found in my 1956 Guide to North American Railroads kinda “clicks” in my mind. Seems we did board in the afternoon and I know we arrived at Penn Station in mid to late morning. It was a beautiful train for sure, and we spent the time in the observation car, diner and the bedroom. A great trip home after spending about 2 weeks (I think) in Mobile. My father was a Mate aboard a freighter bound for Korea - we didn’t know then, but it turned out it was for the Inchon landing.
Thanx for the round - the quarters and the kind remarks regarding our Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Theodorebear Ted Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 08:08:37
Nice Inclusive Post to begin the day! [tup] Ah, if only we could see the likes of the boyz you listed - all in one afternoon. No matter, those who do particpate are the ones we’ll ‘play’ to … [tup]
That’s an interesting thought you brought to mind regarding the smoothsides vs stainless - I like the analogy. My experiences are more with the stainless, however, I too appreciate the look of the smoothsides when all in conformity, lined up with matching motive power and ready to go. I do recall them from the trips to Penn Station and Grand Central as a youngster back in the ‘40s with my “Gramps.” [yeah] lookin’ good! [tup]
Here is the new railroad car which is a train in itself – the self-propelled, diesel-powered, all-stainless steel RDC-1. The Budd Company created it to perform a service both to railroads and their patrons, by carrying more passengers on short or long hauls at lower operating cost.
The RDC-1 seats ninety in air-conditioned comfort. With power transmitted hydraulically, from an effortless start it picks up speed like a whippet and stops in a fantastically short space . . . with the easy softness of pushing your hand against a pillow.
Railroad men foresee a wide usefulness for this car. It may be operated as a single unit, or a number of cars can be coupled into a train, operated by one engineman.
Improvement in any field of endeavor begins with imagination. The RDC-1 is another example of Budd practice which is first to envision clearly the need and then bring to bear all the resources of inventive engineering. It follows the modern stainless steel streamliner, the all-steel automobile body, the tapered steel disc wheel and so many other products in which Budd has translated imagination into practical accomplishment. The Budd Company, Philadelphia, Detroit.
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