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Mornin’ (again)!

Just want to acknowledge coalminer3 CM3 for that interesting Post. [tup] Covered some ground with that one …

Before I get into it, however, a reminder of sorts is in order: There have been a few Posts put out there for your enjoyment that I’m not so sure have been followed by the majority 'round here. Yesterday’s feature for the Fallen Flag was
the N&W -page 151, followed by a NOSTALGIA piece on the Budd RDC - page 152 which was then followed with another Fallen Flag the Erie - page 152.

Okay, now to CM3:

That Pennsy steam turbine you mentioned was my first Lionel 0-27 locomotive. Came with a great freight set found under the Christmas tree back in 1948 (I think). Magne Traction, headlight, smoke and a great looking tender that “whistled,” what memories. I could fill the page with recollections …

GG1s are my most favorite of all - loved to look at 'em and still do. Have two in my “retired” display cases of HO “stuff” - Pennsy passenger in tuscan and freight in Brunswick green, both have the 5 stripes. Look great!

Transformers! Oh how I dreamed on the day I would own one of the “biggies,” the “ZW.” It wasn’t to be, I settled on a used “KW,” which was a power monger as well. Everything for my Lionel trains (which grew to two sets and accessories), aside from the intial gift, was purchased by me over the years from paper route money, cutting grass, shoveling snow, etc. All those trains are gone and placed into memory. A story for some other time …

The Burlington - CB&Q was featured on page 129 … but without much “fan fare” as I recollect. Nice supplemental info and next time I run the CB&Q I’ll have to append your info … [tup]

I will be gone for the rest of the AM and

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G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #17

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Budd RDC’s from a 1950 advertisement found in my personal collection.

RDC – All-purpose Railway Passenger Coach

RDC, introduced a year ago, is the new all-stainless steel, self-propelled Budd rail diesel car. It is good looking, quiet, smooth riding. It is comfortable, clean and air-conditioned.

The New York Central now has two Budd RDC’s operating express service between Springfield and Boston, and a third, providing local service between western Massachusetts and Albany.

Western Pacific has two RDC’s covering the 924 miles which separate Oakland and Salt Lake City.

Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines have just placed six RDC’s in operation between Camden, Ocean City, Wildwood and Cape May. They leave Camden as a six-car train and end up as two-car trains at each of the three Jersey cities.,

Chicago & North Western has three RDC’s in commuter service; the Baltimore & Ohio will soon haves two and New York, Susquehanna Western, four.

These varied uses to which RDC is being put cover almost every kind of service a railway passenger coach can render.

The general acceptance of the Budd all-stainless steel RDC suggests that the development of railway passenger coach equipment may be headed in a new direction.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Budd Company . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary. . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Budd . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy! [tup]

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Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual and a ham sub please.

A great party yesterday [tup] glad you liked the tale.Thanks TOM TED CM3 ROB RUSSELL AND DAVE.

Another great flag I marval at some of the wonderful train names. Who owns the Illinois Central today[?].

Thanks for the words to New Orleans. While we were waiting for a table at the Union Station Brewery next to the old Union Station in Providence RI it was playing on the outside loudspeakers. It has got to be one of the best of all the Railroad songs[yeah].

CM3 That wonderful piece on the model catalogs took me back many years our main manufactures were Tri-ang, Hornby Dublo and Trix.

Well I had better do some chores hope to pop back later PETE.

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Hi there Siberianmo Mind if I stick my head in the door for a couple of minutes and say it was nice to see you in the CS.

Wasn’t sure if you would be back so didn’t say anything,but it was good. The place looks good and it won’t be that long before you will have a year in,will it?
Ok,time to go and everyone take care
Talk to you later

Duke

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Good afternoon gentlemen. Cindy I’ll have a Keith’s while we await the boss to return.One word of caution though Cindy, Tex is not paper trained yet best we don’t let him up on the bar top. [:O][xx(]

Tom Nice fallen flag as per usual. The IC is / was one of the great rebuilders.Many a long dead locomotive has been reserected in the Paducah shops. The rebuilt SD24’s and GP9 programs are a thing of legeand. Who know’s how many of the Paducah geeps are still going strong. many a shortline bought them up after IC was finished with them.

As an Olive branch one good set of E8’s 9’s would be the set that CN had repainted in their classic Super Continental passenger scheme for their inspection train.[tup][;)] The IC’s shop boys painted them in the classic paint scheme shortly after the CN takeover

CM3 Loved the catalgue story you definatly could tell what time of the year it was when all the Christmas cat’s started comming out. For me it was Eaton’s, Sears,Canadian Tire, Consumers Distributing and a couple others. Most of these dept store cat, listed some fine trains in their toy sections. Sears and Eatons always had a page or two of Lionel trains HO and O.

Like Tom my first train set I bought myself. It was an HO one though and have stuck with it ever since.

Pete It was CN that has taken over the riegns of the IC. This happened what 5 or 6 years ago ? In essence it has given CN a Coast to Coast to Coaaast railway. Atlantic to Pacific in Canada and a mainline down through Chicago to the Gulf of Mexico. If you count the Northern Manitoba Churchhill line to hudson Bay then CN has access to the arctic as well.

Fergie nice to see you drop by . Hopefully you can stay longer the next time. Those loved but not forgotten east coast routes will be a welcome read for everyone here. Close to the Bosses heart will be any info on the Dominion Atlantic RDC’s as well.[tup]
[:D]

Tom

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Since it is my day off ( that’s why I’m not vamping it at the moment ) I have been trying to catch up on some reading. specifically I pulled out the TH&B book a dropped the EMC ad from.

The TH&B was an interesting road. the best of many worlds I suppose. It’s herritage in ownership at least comes from the CPR , Michigan Central ? New York central.

Many an interesting steam locomotive appeared on their roster. alot of MLW built 2-8-0’s and 0-6-0’s and 0-8-0’s. These were generic to CP designs as well as a couple of light ten wheelers also close to CP spec.

Their most exotic locomotives came via the NYC. A pair of J1E’s hudsons 500 and 501 these were built at the same time as the NYC order. And a pair of heavy Berkshires the only ones in Canada 200 ,201. There are many fine photo’s of these four locomotives.

Anyway reading through the book I came accross another interestic tid bit of Classic paseenger train type stuff. Enjoy.

The New Empire State Express

Again New York central makes transportation history with a new streamlined Empire State Express Her is really a new way to travel- new in luxury - new in the relaxation and pleasure it offers you.

Built of stainles steel with interiors as comfortable as they are beautiful. smart solarium observation ; tavern lounge and dining cars. all seats reserved in Parlour Cars and Reclining Seat Coaches. Same low fares !

Westbound

LV New York… 9:00 am
Ar Buffalo … 4:50pm
Ar St thomas…7:45pm
Ar Detroit…9:55pm

Eastbound

LV Detroit…8:30am
Ar St Thomas…10:32am
Ar Buffalo…1:30pm
Ar New York…9:30pm

This train travelled accross the TH&B in

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Afternoon Tom and the gang…Tom you have a message… Round of your best for the gang… Yes indeed, i’m back! Howdy Rob, Cm3, Passengerfan and all the others I negelected to mention

I’m a day behind, but hey, here goes: Regarding the corrosion issues associated with Corten siding as used by Pullman specifficaly on the orginal 1937 Daylight consits, SP attempted several ideas the rectify moisture collection behind the panels, rewelding and seam sealing were attempted to no avail. Corrosion could be excessive enough to warrent replacement of truss memebers and pose a threat to safety, after enduring this expensive, time consuming condition for a number of years, with Pullman unable to provide a solution, SP extensivily shopped all cars so equipped, replacing the offending siding material with rolled sheetmetal, SP took the oppertunity to completely change the configuration in certain situations as well with new widow locations or complete conversions to different cars ( The full domes used on the valley line were so built using orginal Daylight observation lounges) The infamous Automat idea was a result of rebuilding vrs. replacement and but one example of just what the SP shops were capable of accompishing.

Ok Boris… do what you do so well

Dave

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Hey Dave good to see you.Excellent info there [tup] One thought comes to mind this Budd is for you. I know awfull joke. Hey they don’t pay me to be funny. I can’t imagine automats on passenger trains. though I suppose at the time automats were an "in vogue " sort of thing in North America.

Rob

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Evenin’ Guys!

Thanx Cindy - you’ve had a long day and the boyz all appreciate it! [yeah] Sorry I neglected to tell you about Tex the Armadillo. Kinda sneaks up on ya, eh [?] [swg] Ohhhhhhhhhh, fine - not funny. Temper, temper! [swg] Watch it - these hands are “registered!”

Now this is more like it, some business at the bar and a visit from a friend from some time back …. Some acknowledgements are in order:

pwolfe Pete Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 14:51:33

Couldn’t agree with you more regarding “The City of New Orleans” song being one of the best. I play it constantly while in the Can-Am trainroom! [tup]

As Rob indicated, the Illinois Central is now part of the Canadian National Railways much to the dismay and chagrin of a bunch of folks livin’ south of the 49th parallel. It was predicted many decades ago that the North American continent would witness a day when only a relative handful of railroads would be operating, with essentially one or two for north/south traffic and one or two for east/west. Seems to be heading that way.

Appreciate your stoppin’ by …… [tup]

bjdukert Duke Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:01:09

Appreciate your stoppin’ by! [tup] I checked out your photo album and man oh man, you have some interesting shots there. Highly recommend that our guys take a look at http://photobucket.com/albums/b350/bjdukert

Perhaps next time you stop by, you can provide us with a run down on those models you and others are riding. We can listen, while you enjoy a brew with us and tell the story! [tup]

I’m going to try and “return to my roots” with a bit more frequency in terms of my visits to the “shop.” Although I must admit I’m less inclined to get into the frenzy of it all – just like to say “howdy” to some friends who always made me feel at home.

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:05:08 and 16:37:02 and 16:43:28

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WEDNESDAY INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ Y’all! Another fine day appears to be dawning here in mid-continent USA. Still bothers me ‘bout the Halloween rainout for the kids. [tdn]

Now, time for a pick-me-up from The Mentor Village Bakery, some freshly brewed “Joe,” and of course a selection from the breakfast menu – right over there on the Menu Board! [swg]

Info for the Day:

(1) The Selection Committee for the Order of the Stools will release the results of their October meeting TODAY. Watch for it!

(2) Wednesday’s are for those engaged in the model railroad hobby, along with any other aspect of railroading that falls into the hobby category to showcase what you have done, are doing or are planning to do. That just about covers it, eh [?] We’re really lookin’ for track diagrams, but if all else fails, an overall photo (pix) of one’s layout will be fine. Just save the photo spread for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!. We call Wednesday, Pike Perspectives Day!

(3) Thursday’s are for our Fish ‘n Chips Nite. We haven’t had a Nick’s Picks [C=:-)] in so long, I’m going to hold back on advertising that ‘til we hear from the “man” [C=:-)] himself! Dinner begins at 5 PM!

(4) Friday’s are for our Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM!

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Pag

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. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

As promised, this ENCORE! is being repeated in order for everyone to have another chance at viewing the comprehensive additional information provided by passeangerfan Al. [tup][tup][tup]

This Fallen Flag was previously shown on page 106 and 150! from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview

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Good Morning All; coffee, please; round for the house; and $ for the jukebox. Let’s listen to Mountain Railway this a.m.

The comments on the Empire State Express were most interesting. Rogers Whitaker (aka E.M. Frimbo) in his book Decade of the Trains (a somehow forgotten excellent volume of American railroads in WWII), tells of he and a group of his friends went out to the wilds of western NY to ride some of the interurban lines out there as well as the inaugural run of the Empire State Express. They got caught in a snowstorm (what a surprise for December!), and barely made it back to catch the EB Empire. They heard about the atack on Pearl Harbor while they were on the train. I heard a similar story from him one evening in the lounge car on the Crescent. God- could he yarn! If you want some fun reading see if you can get a copy of All Aboard with E.M. Frimbo.

Needless to say, the news from Hawaii trumped everything that day. I was talking to my dad abt. that awhile ago (he’s up there but mentally he can run raings around most all of us), and he said, “December 7 was the end of life as we knew it. We truly lost whataver innocence we had as a Nation that day.”

The Empire State in wartime (1942) operated the following cars.

Tavern lounge (buffet): Cleveland-New York
Parlor Cars: Cleveland-New York, Detroit-New York
Diners: Cleveland-New York, Detroit-New York
Observation Coach (Buffet lounge): Cleveland-New York
Reclining Seat Coaches: Cleveland-New York, Detroit-New York, Buffalo-New York

I enjoyed looking through the TH&B material. They are finally getting some press in the magazines - RMC had a two-part article on them a little while ago.

As for the RDC ads - nostalgia there for sure.

Awhile back we mentioned ancient E units. Since we have also been doing fallen falgs, here’s some information (from the vaults, believe me), about early SAL and ACL E’s.

The Seaboard Ai

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Good morning Tom. A week tea and some soft oaatmeal I think this morning. ( I had a wisdom tooth removed last night so soft is the key at the moment. Gee with one gone does that mean some of my railway info leaked out ? ) [swg]

Tom and Al Though I caught it on the first run through I appreciate the encore. As I’ve said before my knowledge of the western Roads is limited though with you and Al dropping info like you are I’m learning. [tup]

Glad you liked the TH&B piece. I figured that I would drop it in to help demonstrate some of their unique joint operations. Helps explain to you folks about a well beloved Canadian road that few people new about.

I agree with you on the automats in the "dinning cars " Not a terribly good idea but who are we to judge’ I’m just glad that Via backed down on the buffet proposal. I’m all for an occational buffet style dinner but on a long run on a train I would want to be pampered somewhat.

CM3 Thanks for the editional insight on the TH&B. Mr Frimbo ws on the inagural runs wonderfull little story. And as I mentioned yesterday, the fact the train’s start date was the Sunday of the Pearl Harbour attack insures it’s date in history though not by happy means.

I’m going to see if I can find the book you mentioned sounds like an interesting read to be sure. If you can try to find the In The Shadow of Giants The Story of the Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway by Norman Helm The book was published in 1997 uit’s actually the second edition the first edition came out in the early 80’s. Mr Helm passed away about 6 years ago, I was luckey enough to meet him when I purchased my copy of the book ( which he signed ) He was an avid writer did alot of second world war history pieces, he was working on a deffinitive book on Canada and the second world war shortly after the TH&B reprint ( essentially a re-write as it has alot more info than the original which I have read at my Father in laws )

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(What kinda gavel is this [?])

Oye, Oye – All Rise for the Order of the Stools Selection Committee

We are rized ….

Quiet!

Who let that parrot in here [?]

Right!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You may be seated!

The Selection Committee of the Order of the Stools announces the findings of their October meeting.

Be it known from this day forth that the following customer of ”Our” Place has been distinguished by frequent and on-point Posts along with willing participation in the banter at the bar:

coalminer3 CM3 is hereby elevated to the Order of the Permanent Stools

This honor carries with it certain responsibilities to the continued success of ”Our” Place. A willingness to pick up the slack when long term absences occur along with participation in the special events, such as Birthday Bash celebrations and the like.

Congratulations to you, CM3!


The next meeting of the Committee will be announced at a later date.

This session is now concluded.

<bornk (We gotta do better than this!)

All Rise as the Selection Committee departs.

We ar

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Quick stop for now. Thanks for the selection or dubbing to the order. Ropund for the house in appreciation.

I’ll see if I can find the TH&B book.

Now here’s one for those interested in C&O ops in my part of the country. The title is The Chesapeake and Ohio Railway in West Virginia Photos, 1940-1960. It’s published by the C&O Historical Society. Lots of b&w and color pictures, mine plans, etc.

Astound your neighbors - build a tipple in your back yard. Heat your house for the winter. One car load should do it. BTW, there’s several places I pass en route to work that have signs out front advertising “House Coal” for sale - we may need it!

No, Boris - not that kind of tipple. By the way, what’s IN that tank car parked on the siding out back?

Our passenger fans will enjoy the color shots of C&O passenger trains as well.

Well - time for an afternoon meeting (at least I’ll be in the building this p.m.)

work safe

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CONFOUND IT!!! I had my finger on the “send” key when a 2 second power lapse happened. Thanks to Progress Energy, I must go all the way back to square one. Can’t do it now…too d…n angry! See ya tonight.

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G’day Gents!

Runnin a bit behind the curve this fine day – and it truly IS a fine day ‘round here. Temps are supposed to get up to 72 (F), quite a bit higher than normal, but the skies remain blue, winds calm and just a great day for livin’. Petrol is holding at $2.25 (rounded) – didja ever think we’d be “happy” at that [?]

The boyz up at “Collusion Corner” are apparently raking it in, for I just read an account in the local bird cage liner (aka: newspaper) that as the wholesale prices for crude oil drop, the individual gas station operators are seeing an increase in their profit margins. Hmmmmmm, I shudda majored in “voodoo economics.”

News of the day belongs to coalminer3 CM3 and his induction into the hallowed group of regulars dubbed, The Order of the Permanent Stools. Congrats! [tup][tup][tup]

I should warn you that lately we’ve inducted a couple of guys who almost immediately “disappeared.” One has recently made a reappearance, but we’re not quite sure when we’ll see him again. So, be careful around “black holes.” [swg]

Some acknowledgements of Posts are in order:

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 02 Nov 2005, 08:33:30 and 11:55:44

Life is Like a Mountain Railway
Traditional/incomplete

Life is like a mountain railway
With an engineer that’s brave
We must make the run successful
From the cradle to the grave
Watch the hills, the curves and tunnels
Never falter, never fail
Keep your hands upon the throttle
And your eyes upon the rail

Blessed Savior thy will guide us
Till we reach that distant shore
Where the angels wait to join us
In God’s grace forever more

Is this what you are referring to [?] Couldn’t find anything else on it and I’ve never heard it. Somewhere on that Wurltizer of ours it is sure to be found! [swg] Perhaps you were alluding to th

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Good afternoon again everyone. Tom something light and non-charged for this afternoon if you pleas and a congratulatory round for the house in CM3’s honour. Good show man good show.[tup][:D]

CM3 Let me know if you have any difficulties finding the book. i’ll have to check but we may still have a couple new copies in the museum gift shop. If not fairly good quality used do crop up from time to time. You can try the museum website ,the giftshop listing will let you know what’s available.

Since it’s Pike day here at the bar ( and no ones yet to pick up the subject ) I figured that I would continue the tale of the TH&B and it’s modelling oportunities. Lifelike Canada has run several batches of TH&B rolling stock, gondolas,coal hoppers , boxcars and flatcars. Athearn & Branchline trains have put out some heavyweight passenger cars ( all old 6 wheel truck monitor roof beauties ) Intermountain has run the cylindrical hoppers in both kit and ready to run forms. Even Front range and athearn have done the black and yellow boxcars in the past.

Locomotives have also been produced by lifelike Canada and Broadway has produced siound equiped versions of the Hudson’s 500 and 501 when they did their NYC versions. As these TH&B Hudson’s were added onto the last order for Hudson’s the central placed. Lifelikes Berkshire is also a clos match to the birks the TH&B ran. Lifelike has produced all three of TH&B’s GP9 locomotives in N and HO 401,402,&403 and they have done all of the GP7 roadswitchers and a couple runs of the SW9’s. If one can find a Herald King or CDS lettering kit the kato NW2 model is the exact version match for the TH&B’s NW2’s.

One local hamilton hobby shop Moddellers Choice is an exclusive importer of TH&B and Ontario Northland loco’s and frieght cars www.modelerschoice.com follow the links to the modeller’s choice Canada site to check on this availability. Two of their more recent imports were from Bachman the spectrum 2-8-0’s and the dood

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Hello Tom I’ll sip a tea while your about the tending of the bar.[tup]

To answer your question the Empire State ws a NYC train. It however cut accross southern Ontario from Buffalo up through Fort Erie and onto the Michigan Central owned Canada Southern through St Thomas and onto Detroit. The St Thomas leg / Canda sountern ( Caso ) is what the TH&B ran on through there was a TH&B operation. Seing as how the Michigan Central owned something like 60% of the TH&B ergo the NYC owned the majority of the TH&B with CP owning the balance. The Ontario conections to the Empire express were accomplished Via TH&B feeder trains and TH&B trackage thus the rather muddled relationship. I know clear as mud.

I’m happy to add some technical stuff to the discussion, you can’t do all of it. Since I’m laid up for two or three days, I figured that while I was catching up on some reading I could spend some quality time here and add the odd Bon Mots

I can imagine that news like hearing of the Pearl Harbour attack even on one as young as you were at the time,would be something that would stay with you. As it already has. That in mind was a partial reason why I posted that piece when I did with Rememberance Day comming up.

Rob

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G’day!

And now for something a little bit different - some NOSTALGIA, some MODEL RAILROADING, some REAL RAILROADING …

Here’s something for the Steam Locomotive fans in our group:
The North American Steam Locomotive Wheel Arrangements

Type ………. Wheel diagram ………. Name(s)

0-2-2 ……… Oo
0-4-0 ……… Oo …………………… 4-coupled
0-4-2 ……… OOo
0-4-4 ……… OOoo ………………… Forney 4-coupled
0-4-6 ……… OOooo ……………… Forney 4-coupled
0-6-0 ……… OOO ………………… 6-coupled
0-6-2 ……… OOOo ………………. Baldwin, Uintah
0-6-4 ……… OOOoo ……………… Forney 6-coupled
0-6-6 ……… OOOooo ……………. Forney 6-coupled
0-8-0 ……… OOOO ………………. 8-coupled
0-8-2 ……… OOOOo
0-10-0 ……. OOOOO ………………10-coupled
0-10-2 ……. OOOOOo …………… Union

2-2-0 ……… oO .…………………… Planet
2-2-2 ……… oOo. ………………… Single
2-4-0 ……… oOO. …………………Porter
2-4-2 ……… oOOo ………………… Columbia
2-6-0 ……… oOOO ………………. Mogul
2-6-2 ……… oOOOo … Prairie
2-8-0 ……… oOOO ………………. Consolidation
2-8-2 ……… oOOOOo …………… Mikado
2-8-4 ……… oOOOOoo …………… Berkshire, Kanawha
2-10-0 ……… oOOOOO … Decapod
2-10-2 ……… oOOOOOo …………. Santa Fe
2-10-4 ……… oOOOOOoo ………… Texas

4-2-0 ……… ooO ………………… Six-wheeler
4-2-2 ……… ooOo ………………… Bicycle
4-2-4 ……… ooOoo
4-4-0 ……… ooOO ………………. American
4-4-2 ……… ooOOo ……………… Atlantic
4-4-4 ……… ooOOoo ……………. Reading
4-6-0 ……… ooOOO ……………… Ten-wheeler
4-6-2 ……… ooOOOoo …………… Pacific
4-6-4 ……… ooOOOoo …………… Baltic, Hudson
4-8-0 ……… ooOOOO .…………… Mastodon
4-8-2 ……… ooOOOOo …………. Mountain
4-8-4 ……… ooOOOOoo .………… Northern
4-10-0 ……… ooOOOOO ………… Decapod
4-10-2 ……… ooOOOOOo ………… Overland, Southern Pacific
4-12-2 ……… ooOOOOOOo .……… Union Pacific

Articulated Locomotives

0-2-2-0 …… OO …………………. Mt. Washington Cog Rai