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Evenin’ Guys!

For anyone interested in the Nickel Plate (NP) check out this URL: http://www.nkphts.org/history.html
It’s a keeper. May not answer your question, Ted, regarding being the last RR in steam, but there’s a wealth of info to browse through.

There is a “place” for N-scale in the hobby and all one has to do is visit the San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park to see perhaps the largest N layout anywhere. It is absolutely stunning in scope and detail. I last saw it in 1988 and presume it is still there. The portable layout that I photographed while in KCity in September with Pete was a marvelous thing to behold. I’ll have to Post those pix (again) on Sunday Photo Posting Day!.

My “ideal” scale is S; 1:64. Just love the size and find it to be “just right,” even moreso as eyesight and dexterity with the fingers is on the wane. Unfortunately there are so many “down sides” to it, which I’ve chronicled several times on this thread. Why HO [?] Selection, availability and price – just about covers it. I found everything I wanted for the Can-Am in relatively short order. Couldn’t say that with S. What I wound up with for the S Capades fits my scheme (7x8 ft small layout w/three train sets) quite well and finally has quenched my desire for that size model train.

I seriously doubt that there will be an operating N scale in the Haus, however, never say never. A friend of mine recently gave me two sets of N trains – virtually unused and boxed. Hmmmmmm. He had over a dozen sets, unopened – and get this – his wife “told him” to get rid of ‘em. Argggggggh (on several counts!) <Good grief!>

My next venture, if there is to be one, will be a subway. I’m really leaning towards construction of a subway running beneath the Can-Am layout. It won’t have any interface at all with the Can-Am, just want to utilize that “under the board” space for something other than dust. I fig

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Good evening Tom. I’ll donate a roll of quartters for the “boombox” [swg] I’m heading back to work tomorrow so I’ll be the night guy again[sigh] Oh well I’m sure that you folks will keep it humming in here.

Tom I haven’t given up on the BC book if I find a good one I’ll let you know. I like keeping on top of the hardbound and softbound rail books with Canadian or traction content. My thing. I certainly don’t mind picking up a book if it fits what I like and lights my light as it were. On top of that our museum gift shop caters specifically to books and videos, Traction and rail as long as the rail is Canadian. Heather’s Mom runs the gift shop so I tend to help her pick out good titles from the catalogue ( are you hearing that Al hint , hint I already have her wanting your book when it’s done ! )

Thank’s for the nickle plate url I’ll savee that to take a peak later. I know thta you are essentially zeroing in on the passenger side but I’m a big picture sort of guy. Heck I just love trains. [tup][:D]

Ted CNR /CPR arebmy main rail loves so I will grab any good book that comes along. As I said though the Ian Wilson series are built to entertain and inform, they aren’t dry stat after stat type books. His writing style basically lets you know what a day on the particular subdivision would be like. What passenger trains ran what freights etc. And then the marvalous and plentiful pictures from all the masters to bac it up. Couple that to the fact that this guy is 40 an dnever saw a live steam engine makes them that much more amazing.

I shouldn’t read so much my brain is full but I grabbed a volume and found this little chart in it. These are the freight car / milage /locomotive counts. For Canadian railways as of 1987. This came from The Railway’s of Canada by Jim Lotz and Keith MacKenzie.

Canada’s Railways. Miles Loco’s Cars

Canadian National R

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Sorry guys the lists on the last post wouldn’t work out. When I tried to space them the edit function told me I had too many characters. In a nut shell its miliage locomotive numbers and then frieght car numbers listed after the railway names. Rob

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FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ All!

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM!

(2) Saturday is ENCORE! day insofar as NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flag Posts are concerned.

(3) Sunday is SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and of course the bar is CLOSED.

(4) Watch for the announcement for a ‘special’ participatory event for November 11th (Veteran’s Day – Remembrance Day – Armistice Day).

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) West Coast S Dave Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 02:12:11 (154) WP RDC’s

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 05:45:22 (154) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 05:46:25 (154) Fallen Flag – Nickel Plate Road

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 07:05:56 (154)

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 08:15:37 (154) reply to trolleyboy – West Coast S – Theodorebear

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 08:24:47 (154) Daily pick-us-up Post!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 12:04:40 (154) NOSTALGIA #18 – Ad Budd RDC

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 14:46:46 (154) Inclusive Post!

(9) bjdukert Duk

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Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Southern (SR)

Headquarters: Washington, DC

Mileage in 1950: 6,300

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 644

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 40,038
Passenger cars: 587

Principal routes in 1950:

Washington, DC-Charlotte, NC-Atlanta, GA-Birmingham, AL-New Orleans, LA
Cincinnati, OH-Chattanooga, TN-Birmingham
Danville, KY-St. Louis, MO
Chattanooga-Memphis, TN
Chattanooga-Morristown-Knoxville-Bristol, TN
Chattanooga-Atlanta-Valdosta, FL-Jacksonville, FL
Valdosta-Palatka, FL
Salisbury-Asheville, NC-Morristown, TN
Asheville-Spartanburg-Charleston, SC
Charlotte-Jacksonville
Danville-West Point, VA
Greensboro, NC-Norfolk, VA
Rome, GA-Mobile, AL

Passenger trains of note:

Aiken-Augusta Special (Washington-Salisbury-Augusta)
Asheville Special (Washington-Greensboro-Asheville)
Birmingham Special (Washington-Lynchburg-Bristol-Knoxvillle-Chattanooga-Birmingham
Carolina Special (Cincinnati-Knoxville-Asheville-Greensboro & Charleston)
Crescent (New York-Washington-Atlanta-Montgomery-New Orleans))
Florida Sunbeam (Cincinnati-Atlanta-Florida points)
Kansas City-Florida Special (Kansas City-Birmingham-Atlanta-Brunswick & Florida points)
Peach Queen (Washington-Atlanta)
Pelican (New York-Lynchburg-Bristol-Knoxville-Chattanooga-Birmingham-New Orleans)
Piedmont Limited (Washington-Atlanta-Montgomery-New Orleans)
Ponce de Leon (Cincinnati-Atlanta-Jacksonville)
Queen & Crescent (Cincinnati-Chattanooga-Birmingham-New Orleans)
Royal Palm (Cinci

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Mornin’ all, I’m up before the chickens this a.m., so I’ll help meself to toast and a splash-a-Joe. I see the moring paper on the counter. That means Tom must be around here somewhere. BTW Tom, thanks for the Nickel Plate addendum.[tup]

Some progress is being made on the HO side of the tracks. I’ll fill you in next Wednesday for details. I did a litle browsing earlier and peeked into the other Forums. Nothing has really changed. Its the same old hackneyed subjects with the same core of responders, postulating the same advice, for something like 3 years non-stop by now.[V] If the old cliche of “too many chefs spoil the sauce” is true; examples of it may be found everywhere you turn. Glad that hasn’t happened here yet. I don’t think it ever will.[8D]

I “scoped out” some of the airline’s fare increases along with valet and overnight parking, plus meals and lodging around the country.[:O] By Gadfrey, its astonishing! Lacking a crystal ball, I can’t predict what may happen between now and May 2006. My “Rendesvous” plans have not changed, however, allow me to pass on a “word to the wise.” If the current rate of “fuel inflation” continues, it is only reasonable to guess that “the best laid plans of mice and men” could be adversly effected.[:(] At this point, it probably isn’t fair or prudent to ask Rob to “stick his neck out” on any firm committments. I hate to be the harbinger of “doom and gloom.” I’m only stating what all of us already know. Now is not the time to commit to far flung plans, only to have them dashed assunder by unpredictable future fiscal realities. “The glass is still half full” not empty for me. But on NO account, should anyone be “out” a penny for commiting to tentative reservations that could “fall through.” More on this should probably be discussed via e-mail…until then.[tup]

This may have been mentioned in past postings. There are many videos out on Railroading and two I can recommend

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Good Morning All, coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We’ll punch up two Doc Watson tunes today; “Blue Railroad Train,” and “Southbound.”

Ian Wilson’s books are great reading. I have the Stratford volume and thoroughly enjoyed it.

The Progressive New Haven - The Boston area had probably the largest concentration of RDCs in the country when you consider what the B&M, NYNH&H, and B&A had. Now we have the Southern in our fallen falg collection.

The Greater Winnpeg Water District - one of the better rr names out there.

In a 1930 vintage ORG I have, their material was buried in the back of the Canadian NAtional Rys setion. Other roads sharing space on the poage witrh the GWWD were the following: Canada and Gulf Terminal; Morrisey, Fernie and Michel Ry;" and the Montreal and Southern Counties Ry. This last ought to get our electrified folks inmterested.

Anyway the Greater Winnipeg had passenger service (6 days a week - north one day and south the next) between St. Boniface, Manitoba, and Waugh. I always look at the footnotes in the ORG entries and found this entry under the GWWD listing “Returning leaves Waugh by 7:00 a.m.” You snooze, you lose, I guess.

Since there’s talk on the board of building a subway, (down, Boris - not for sandwiches) - here’s the first part of a longer post re the Boston subway. Again, all of this is pretty much changed beyond recognition - track, cars, etc. It took awhile to put my rough notes into a somewhat coherent format.

Subway

Riding the subway was always an adventure. The Boston subway was old when I was growing up. There were not as many stations then (sit and read the stations marked on the glass map in the holder beside the car door; Harvard, Central, Kendall, Charles, Park St., Washington, South Station, Broadway, Andrew Columbia, Fields Corner, Shawmut, and Ashmont - that was it), and the trains only ran as far as Harvard Square, althou

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Mornin’ All!

Still a rather warm start to the day ‘round here, skies have clouded over, but no rain is forecast. The winds of yesterday (gusting to 40 mph) have calmed considerably and it’s a good day for pickin’ up leaves! (What else [?]) There are nearly 30 deciduous trees on our property, most of ‘em planted by me thanx to my bride’s ever-luvin’ affection for the things, and of course the chore of pickin’ up after ‘em, falls to the “yard man,” me. [swg] So off I go, “fortified” with allergy meds, make my day, trees!

Some responses are in order:

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Nov 2005, 23:06:37 and 23:55:51

I knew it was too good to last! Are you sure you don’t need another “extraction” [?] Anything “bothering” you that could keep you home [?] [swg]

Appreciate the continuing interest in “that book” for me. At this point, whether it is a soft covered version or hard doesn’t matter. My preference for “keepers” have always been for the hard covered versions – used or new, not a problem. Just love BC Rail and wish I could have found some “stuff” for the Fallen Flags, but perhaps it’s still a bit early for that in the data I’m looking for.

Just read where CN had another derailment in the Squamish, BC area and it has the “natives” really upset. CBC has an article on it in today’s cyber news. The Mayor and others are demanding that CN reduce the length of the trains, which they believe is a contributing factor to these rather frequent derailments. Just goes to show that bigger doesn’t always equate to better.

Nice work with that compilation on Canada’s railway’s mileage, locos and cars. Interesting that they are still using “miles,” given that the “powers in Ottawa” long ago decided that the Metric System was in, and the English system was out. VIA Rail still refers to “miles” in many on board references, whereas their schedules are in kilometers. Kinda screws it up – b

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G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #19

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the RDC’s from Budd from a 1954 advertisement found in my personal collection.

. . . . . RDC – Car with a Future for Canada’s Future . . . . .

The Canadian Pacific – world’s greatest travel system – has just bought four Budd stainless steel RDCs. (The letters RDC stand for Rail Diesel Car.)

The cars were bought because of their proved ability to reduce costs, improve service and attract traffic. But also with an eye to Canada’s growth, which presages an increase in the need for transportation as Canada’s vast mineral, oil and natural resources are developed.

Operating experiences with RDC usually reveals potentialities not originally envisioned. Nobody has yet found their limit, though RDC is now operating in a searching range of services in Australia, Cuba and Saudi Arabia, as well as on our own country’s leading railroads. The Budd Company, Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary.

Automobile and Truck Bodies and Wheels. Railway Passenger Cars and Plows. Budd

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PIONEERS IN BETTER TRANSPORTATION . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Next Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With a week to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment

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Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Guess I’ll have a CR and a round for the house.
Missed a chance to ride the California Zephyr from Oakland to Chicago instead I rode the Zephyrette from Oakland to Salt Lake City. After staying in a motel I caught the California Zephyr from Salt Lake City to Chicago.
I know the Budd Car doesn’t compare with the CZ but just to be able to sy I did it is something… Remember we stopped for all meals and RR employees ounumbered paying passengers. I rode up front with different engineers for most of the daylight running. I guarantee the CZ was no where near as well liked as that Zephyrette by this railfan.For some unexplainable reason I enjoyed every RDC trip I ever took. And I rode plenty. The Dominion Atlantic on Canada’s east coast from the ferry to Halifax. After riding the Atlantic Limited from Montreal across Maine then connecting with the ferry.
Rode the RDC 's on the CN on several occasions from Toronto to Kingston. Even rode the CP RDC from Toronto to Peterborough on another occasion.
Favorite RDC trip was the Cariboo Dayliner between North Vancouver to Prince Geaorge on both the Pacific Great Eastern and much later when it was the British Columbia Railway. Rode Great Northerns lone RDC in Montana. Will follow this up later just had company arrive.

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Greetings!

Haven’t seen a regular at the bar for nearly 5 hours! Fortunately the track gang’s are havin’ at it in the pool room, so all’s not lost 'round here.

Thanx for the round, Al, always appreciated! By the by, your Email response to my Rendezvous message has been received. Thanx! [tup]

Thought for sure today’s Fallen Flag SR would have attracted SOME attention … well, at least the NOSTALGIA piece got a response.

We’ve had a good run with those Budd RDC ads and I enjoyed the info provided by CM3 and of course your latest. You certainly have logged some miles travelling aboard those fine machines. I can say, thanx to *** Watkins and the folks at TRE in Dallas, that I’ve ridden nearly 40 miles in the cab of RDCs! My claim to fame. [swg]

As a passenger, I’ve logged several year’s worth of commuting time aboard the B&M while living in the Boston area, and a BC Rail round trip between N. Vancouver and Lillooet, BC. Also had the opportunities to ride the B&O and NH RDCs, all pretty much at the end of their “lives.”

Looking forward to the “rest of the story” from ya when you’re able. [tup]

Sounds like I better check out that back room, things are gettin’ a bit rowdy … I think Tex the Armadillo just took a “chunk” outta one of the guys new snakeskin boots. Boris has tried to mediate, and … oh good grief! Gotta go …[B)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ All!

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is ENCORE! day insofar as NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flag Posts are concerned.

(2) Sunday is SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and of course the bar is CLOSED.

(3) Next Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With a week to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 05:48:40 (155) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 05:50:38 (155) Fallen Flag – SR

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 05:56:46 (155)

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 09:09:06 (155) Boston subways, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 09:53:48 (1

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“Try, try again.” Howdy Tom and all that could drop in today. I dropped in earlier and was “cut short” by a neighbor’s phone call. Weekends are “iffy” at best and unsolicited calls don’t help.[tdn] E-mails have been responded to and questions are pending further replies.[tup]

YES, Southern Rwy will always be in my “most favorite” catagory.[^] Some of the “rolling stock” and locos are, for me, irresistable. The classic PS-4 Pacific with its graceful boiler contour, massive fire box, Elesco feed water heater and Baker valve gear is one of those pieces that marries up with the Soutnern livery like a GG-1 to the Pennsy’s. The Science Bldg. at the Smithsonian Institution (Wash. D.C.) proudly exiibits a PS-4 in its original Sylvan Green, gold lettering and silver firebox/boiler front quarter plus the flat red cab roof in all of its splendor. The “Crescent” was the “Queen of the Fleet” for many years and passenger satisfaction through those years attested to the quality of service. Danville, VA hosted the S.R. principal shops during the steam era and many a fine specimen rolled in and out of them.

On the passenger side, I was very partial to the reshoped (welded sides) day coaches. With their high arch roofs (either flat black or Coach Green) , streamlined window shapes, and semi-gloss Coach Green paint (gold lettering) on the sides, I found the “understatement” in excellent good taste. There were no air vents or escutcheons to festoon the roof line as in most reshoped “standard” coaches. If anyone hasn’t taken a peek at pix of the S.R. steam loco roster, please do so and post your opinions on them, if you will.[bow]

When the EMD E series diesels assumed most of the passenger chores in the late 1950’s, S.R. clung to their Sylvan Green but with a off white splashed over it in in a livery design that reeks of mass in motion. My primary focus is on the 20’ and 30’s epoch with the “Crescent” Limited and its’ touch of elegance applied to the normally

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. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for Chris and the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Western Pacific (WP)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Good afternoon Tom and the gang. I’ll grab a nice roast beef hoagie without the hoagie[:I][:p]

Yes indeed I’m back to work no major suprises[tup] unfortunatly this weekend sat and sun I’m supervising the night crew so I’ll be sparse the next couple of days likley[tdn][:(]

Tom It is a suprise that the Canadian roads still refer to miles, I suspect it has something to do with the interchange of trafiic / crews with the United States. Remembering that both CN and CP own fairly large amounts of rail milage in the US and have American crews and customers.If they didn’t at least attempt to work in both systems I’m sure the resulting confusion would be costly.

As to the Greater Winnipeg, other than the brief blurb I have given that’s it’s that’s all I just have no info. CM3’s synopsis in his subway post is more info on that system then I have.

Have you looked into the Lifelike subway cars for your Canam project Tom. they look good and run well a thought anyway. They are NYC prototype, but they do come on two or three different paint schemes ( none with factory applied grafitee though [;)][swg] )

CM3 Loved your story of the Boston Subway. I can smell the ozone and grease myself. I too thought I would meet a certain firey dimise the first time i rode the Younge Street subway in Toronto with the similar warnings. at least the tile and lighting are a bit better. I haad a chance to ride the new shepard line in Toronto last year.It’s well done but the stations lack the grace and charm of the earlier lines. Very anticeptic and hospital like.

I’m glad you liked the one Ian Wilson book. Stratford is a good one. If you can try to get yourself a copy of Palmerston. For the tiny town it is/ was Palmerston was a major hub in all of CNR’s central Ontario rail lines. All of this trackage is gone now so the book gives you a real feeling of what was. I remember by mother telling me some stories about her grandfather. He was a CNR

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Oh a couple of more things. Nice encores BTW Tom.[tup] To bad Chris’s not around he’d love the continued talk of the Western Pacific his road du jour.

Tom & Al Loved the continuing RDC saga’s. The rail cars that won’t quit. I have to say that even though I had seen them in the Via service I never have actually ridden on one. If I ever get to Dallas it will be a priority.

CM3 Thank’s for mentioning the MS&C , you may have missed the classic jiuce piece I posted on it as I think you were vacationing at the time.Page 131 if you wanted to rerread it. the bytown historical society has published a nice softbound book on the MS&C just last year. You can get copies directly from them via their website, or our musuem stocks it as well. If you do make it up to our musuem ever, make sure to ride on 107 our MS&C combine car.

Rob

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A Classic Juice Encore for this fine Encore Saturday

[quote]
QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy

Okay as promised yesterday: classic juice # 3 The Montreal and Southern Counties RY.This was an interurban line ment to link the city of Montreal with the southern Counties on the shores of the St Lawrence River.

The MS&C was originally chartered federally inan act of parliament in 1897.To provide service from montreal to st lambert. A second act in 1898 allowed them to build into the counties of,Beauharnois , Chateaugay , Huntingdon , and Napierville .A third act in 1902 authorized tha MS&C to enter into agreements with other railways on the South shore of the St lawrence.and eastern township areas. An act passed in 1905 allowed them to buy out a local bus line the South shore auto car company. they were slow to build from their initial start up date of 1897,indeed until a great deal of money came from the Grand Trunk railway. Little was actually built until GT allowed the MS&C to use the Victoria Bridge to cross the river to the southern counties this happened in 1905.

In november 1909 passenger service comenced between Montreal and St lambert. They ran as an independant company until 1911 when ownership went to the GT proper.and continued that way as a CNR franchise till discontiuance in 1956.Adding on of lines was slow and cautious. They reached Longiel in 1910 ( this was a point just east of the preasant day Jacques Cartier bridge )Ranelagh in 1911, Greenfield park i& Mackayvile in 1913,Chambly,Richelieu,and Mariesville in 1914. The town of Laprairie recieved a franchise in 1914 but never got the line built. The extension made it as far as Abbotsford and Granby in late 1915. With the final expansion to mariesville and Ste Angele completed in 1926 20 + years to build 50 miles of railway!

All the cars and equipment were

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G’day Gang!

Yesterday was the slowest Friday on “record,” as only three Posts were made from three regulars. [wow]

Didn’t expect much today, given it is Saturday, but always good to have a couple of shared thoughts to check out.

Some acknowledgements are in order:

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 10:42:35

Your Emails have been received and responded to – thanx! [tup]

Glad the Fallen Flag – SR “flicked your switch,” it truly was one of those finer operations on rails. [tup] I know exactly what you mean when you say “it was love at first sight.” The D&H did that to me when I first saw those great looking Alco PA’s in that blue livery. Never traveled aboard it, but sure do appreciate lookin’ at the pix! [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 12:56:12, 13:06:28 and 13:22:33

Don’t hear from you for over a full day, then three Posts! [wow] Feast or famine, indeed! [swg]

Regarding the miles vs kilometers “thing,” I had read somewhere that there was tremendous resistance to changing the mile markers to kilometers, and at times nearly upset the ‘apple cart’ insofar as the metric system in Canada was concerned. It got “squashed” pretty well by those in Ottawa “bent” on ensuring that anything American is to be expunged from the Canadian landscape. I’m not making that up – it was something of an issue, but not run very often in the press. A pity, for common sense really took a bath and a back seat on that one.

Interesting that you mentioned LifeLike HO subway sets, for I am indeed checking out the availability of two sets. Very hard to find – and I’m NOT going to use eBay. I detest that “thing” and don’t want to be a part of it. Anyway, the sets I’m looking for are the 4-car subway in silver w/blue stripe and their “Red Bird’ series w/silver roof. I’d appreciate your help should you vis

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Hi Tom and all.

A pint if Bathams please hopefully. I say hopefully as I am expierincing some technical difficuties the last two days I can read stuff but when I try to write the computer is playing up.( the space bar was deleting letters and then the stuff disappeared into the either it was the same when I tried E-Mail [:(]).

Great Flags and posts lately. Thanks ALL

I see on the Nickle Plate and the Southern flags they had services that ran into St Louis. There must have been quite a few different different companies using that station in its hayday [?].

We had guests last evening one of whom was a Boston native he really appriciated the CM3 post on the Subway[tup][tup]. Looking foward to the next installment.

Thanks CM3 ROB AND TED for the info on the Coal Tipples As often happens something which is mentioned in the bar turns up somewhere else.In the new TRAINS mag there is a photo of the preserved Tipple at CHALMA it has been awarded the 2005
Trains Award[tup].

Talking of tipples a round for the house please.

There was a piece in the K.C. Star. They are moving 2 spans of a disused railroad bridge from the west bottoms and are going to re-erect it across the tracks by Union Station as a pedestrian walkway. It sould be moved in January and open in May. A lot of good things seem to be going on at K. C. Union Station[tup]

The computer seems OK now PETE.