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Good evening gentlemen,let me first thank each of you for your efforts on this day.

Tom Truly a class act today I think that you have done yourself proud with all that you posted today. BK , Ted , Al, Pete and Cm3 Again all truly moving and suitable post today.

I had a couple good chats with some of our local vetrans after this mornings sentiments. They each noted to me as to how the numbers of the general public have increased each of the last 5 years at the National services in Ottawa and in the rest of the cities. One navy vet mentioned to me how he now felt that the meaning of the day has not be lost on the younger generations and as he said he’s happy to take his final role call secure in the knowledge that rememberance will continue

Before I went to work today I caught the reroll of the national services at Confederation Square in Ottawa. Originally they estimated that the crwd would be a bout 15,000 people the same as last year. It infact was in excess of 25,000. One thing that struck me is that just before 11 o’clock the CBC cameras panned the new war museum. They have a large window facing the cenotaph through which you can see the original tombstone of our unknown soldier which was brought back to Canada when this WW1 soldiers body was reintured in Confederation square. Just before 11 the sun shone through the window highlighting that small white minument still showing the dirt line from all it’s years in France. Weather that was a one time pheneomina or always happens in the morning I can’t be sure but what a fitting occurance. I have to say that I still have a lump in my throat from that one.

The anouncers did say that we still have 5 WW1 vets with us in Canada all 105 plus. This however was the first year that none of them were able to make it to Ottawa. there still are slighty over 250,000 WW2 vets alive all averaging 82 years of age even the Korean war vets ave age is 72 now. So now more than ever the young must take up the c

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SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Happy Weekend to all!

Many thanx to all who actively participated in our first Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day at ”Our” Place. [tup][tup][tup]

If you missed the opportunity, why not check out the Posts today [?]

What’s today [?] The 7th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

Info for the Day:

(1) Saturday is normally a day when things are rather slow, so we use it to repeat some Posts of interest. We call it, ENCORE! Day. We are open all day, but the responses may be a bit longer in coming that usual. [swg]

(2) Sunday is Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED until 6 AM Monday

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 00:12:56 (159) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 05:25:17 (159) Friday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 05:28:32 (159) Vets/Remembrance Day #1

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:00:45 (159) Vets/Remembrance Day #2

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:38:17 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 07:57:30 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 08:32:59 (160) reply to tro

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Good Morning all, Tom I’ll just hook a plain cake donut and a cuppa Joe this morning. Yesterday was a meaningful journey through the trials and tribulations thrust upon our respective country’s troops and citizens. These reflective moments were made all the more graphic and personal by the contributions and extra efforts of Tom’s dilligence and dedication to “Our” Place members. I know I speak for all of us when I say: thank you Tom for bringing us so much closer to the core values and the reasons such sacrifces were made.[tup][tup][tup] CM3, Al, Rob, Pete and BK added yet another dimension to the day and its signifigance, thanks again to all of you.

Today I will be clearing, surveying and reviewing “ways and means” for the proposed “El” addition to the downtown area. Like Rob and Tom with their subways, there is “more to it than meets the eye.”[:O] I’m not sure what type cars (MU) to go with just yet. KCity had no El per say. The Chicago reshopped P.C.C.s probably are not an option. I may go with the N.Y. City type cars if they will nogtiate the tight loops. We’ll see.

As the holiday season approaches, our thoughts will probably turn to the proverbial Santa Claus express for the “kids of all ages.” I will get the G gauge operating with the customary added figures, lights, etc. that apply. I stay with the “K.I.S.S.” (keep it simple stupid) principal for temporary scenes. There are no neighborhood kids at that “Santa age,” so there is no need for anything elaborate, phew.[swg] Living in FL., with no snow or blustery weather, rather takes the “spirit” out of the season. Still, tradition cannot be ignored.[:D]

It is daylight here and I had best, at least, get the “ball rolling.” Yesterday, my time was taken up with helping replace an old friend’s car hood with a new one. I’m glad to “pitch in” but some scraped knuckles and minor cuts remind me that I’m “no spring chicken.” Say, does anyone besides me subscribe to the Model

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Good Mornin’,

Today is the 7th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! [yeah][wow]

Yesterday was indeed a success here at ”Our” Place and also on my “other” thread for Classic PASSENGER Trains. The latter was lighter, but some interest was attracted. I’m not certain with regard to how much longer I’ll keep that goin’ …….

Many thanx to those who took the time to Post here, and especially to those who stayed “with it” for repetitive visits throughout the day ‘n evenin’! [tup][tup][tup]

This event was “advertised” for well over a week, so those who missed it, missed out. Of course, here in cyber space, with seemingly endless storage in the Ether, one can take the time to review – that is if one is so inclined. I happen to believe that those who cared, were here. A salute to y’all from the Proprietor! [swg]

Some acknowledgments before getting into the chores of this mornin’ – pickin’ up leaves, what else [?] [tdn]

BudKarr BK for all of your Posts yesterday and contribution: Well done!
[tup][tup]

passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Nov 2005, 21:58:39

Above 'n beyond the call for your efforts yesterday! [tup][tup][tup]

Thanx for pickin’ up on those WWII ads, especially for the AT&SF ‘n UP covered in your Post. [tup] You really stuck with me yesterday, Al and I am very appreciative of and for your efforts! [tup] Figures, though – we sailors tend to stick together! [swg]

Your elaboration on the loco’s and types of sleepers used on the troop trains was enlightening for sure. Can surely understand why the troops preferred the more “traditional” cars over the specifically designed “troop” cars and kitchens to follow. Austere, comes to mind!

Lookin’ forward to meeting you when we get together for our Rendezvous in Toronto this May. [yeah]

trolleyboy Rob Pos

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Hi Tom and all.

A cup of coffee and a bacon sandwich this morning please.

May I add to ROB and TED and thank you Tom for the hard work you did with the Excellent ads of yesterday. Also thanks TO AL BK CM3 ROB and TED for their posts which made yesterday a very special day at the bar [bow][yeah][tup].It helped as I shall not be able to see the Veterans back home as they go through the village on their way to the Rememberance Sunday Service.

I’m glad ROB and TED enjoyed the link to the Blackpool trams. In late September to October they have the Blackpool Iluminations when many of the trams are lit , I cannot recall how many light bulbs are used but the number is incredible. One was of a old Western loco where the bulbs were arranged so the connecting rods appeared to move. A marvellous sight.[^][wow]

[bday] 7th anniversary TOM and thanks for the Hoosier link [tup]. I dont think they will ever decide on one meaning[:-,] PETE.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Number 1 of 9:

. . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . .

All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota.

The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits.

From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills.

When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production.

With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943.

The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY
ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC

IN THE ZONE Of Plenty

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Evenin’!

Just a quick word to pwofle Pete - THANX! [tup]

Very, very sloooooooooow 'round here today - but that’s okay - Saturday should be for things other than “keyboarding.” [swg]

Actually had more activity over on my “other” thread than here. Now THAT is very unusual!

Catch y’all later or for sure on Monday mornin’

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Evening Tom, figured that I would sneak in before I head into work ( sat & sun night shift again [sigh] )

If you re-read my post that I made before the Flander’s fields poem, I did in fact pick up on your IT fallen flag. I would never not comment on your talking about classic juice after all [swg]

Glad that you liked the L&PS car. #12 is a sister of our museums #8. They were all built by Jewett in 1915-1919, and served the L&PS till the end of passenger operations in the late 50’s. The main difference that #'s 12 and 14 had is that they were a bit longer and all passenger. #'s 2-8 had a small express bagage area in them.

Glad your first redbirds arrived safe and sound. If i know you you will have the “tube” running in a few months,engineering problems not withstanding.I’m sure that you will keep us posted with the photographic evidence.

I’m glad you reran the bulk of your, yesterdays efferts.All were well done and definatly on topic and appropriate. I am glad that so many of us did participate,makes what we do here come into sharp focus i think

let me by a round in toast to our first 7 months od classic train chat & fun. I’m looking forward to the next seven. [tup][:D]

Pete Thanks again for the url it really is something to behold. I’m looking forward to the holiday shots. I hope they do publi***hose pictures thay should be wonderfull.

Ted I’m happy to see that you are still helpimng out your friends even at what Tom would say your advanced years [tup] I’ll duck now before I recieve a canning of my life. [swg] I’m glad alos that you are not gloating about having no festive white stuff to deal with. I could send some your way if you wish however, I wouldn’t want you to feel left out. [swg] I’m wondering though, did you pick up one of Bach,man G’s open troley’s for your xmas loop? I suppose that you could run the Bowser liberty bell units on your el as well. Though the PCC’s woukld not be a bad cho

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ENCORE or Classic Juice # 1

[quote]
QUOTE: Thot #3 My first attempt at a new segmant. classic Juice. First up The London and Port Stanley Railway or L&PS The L&PS was originally chartered by the Great Western Railway in 1853. It’s purpose to run freight ie coal to the cities of London, St Thomas, Elgin & Middlesex ( all in southwestern ontario )Originally built to the great western’s 51/2 foot guage. Fears of the Great Westerns practice of monopoply pricing the cities purchased the road and leased it back to the Great western to operate for 20 years thus limiting price increases.

In 1872 this steam road’s lease was up and also the great western as well ( swallowed by the greed of it’s owners ) A second 20 year lease was granted to theLake Erie and Detroit river Line( this became the Pere marquette) They ran as a mostly coal hauling road with summer passenger trains to the beaches. As the second Lease was comming to an end the Ontario government was activly pursueing a Scheme to build a province wide electric interurban net work under the ospices of one Sir Adam Beck ( London on MPP and father of the hydro electric commission.Indeed the hydro plants in Niagara falls are still Adam Beck 1 and 2 )

In 1913 when the second lease was up the L&PS was electrified new 80lbs rail and a 1500vDC system and catenery was strung. Five steel motor cars with monitor roof were ordered from Jewett in Ohio. 59 feet long 92,900 lbs cars with 4 125hp GE traction motors. cars 2,4,6,8 &10.Three wooden trailers non powered but with mu controls for train operation were ordered from Preston car and coach in Preston on. cars # 1,3,5. The L&PS interchanged with CN and CP in London and with the Michigan central in St Thomas.

Later in 1915 three electric boxcabs electrified the frieght operations these were built by Preston and numbered L1,2 and L3. Each was capabl

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Evenin’ Guys!

A reply to trolleyboy Rob

Mea culpa! Oooooooops, in other words - sorry, yet in some others! [swg]

I’m looking forward to checkin’ out that L&PS car during our Rendezvous in Toronto. Quite a nice looking car indeed. Thanx for the elaboration! [tup]

Appreciate the Email and a response has been sent!

Thought today would be the appropriate time for the ENCORE! for the WWII ads. Got some “mileage” out of 'em on this and my “other” thread … [swg]

Hope you have some pix for tomorrow - I haven’t even begun to think about what, if anything, I’ll put together. Time for some of the other guys to step up to the plate, wouldn’t you agree [?] Oh, yes - I DO have some Pix from Pete to Post - glad I reminded MYSELF! [swg] Happens, especially when one is OLDER than Ted! [wow]

Nice rerun of your Classic Juice #1 [tup] Just wish we had someone - anyone - reading the Posts today!

Glad you have the confidence in my model railroading abiiities insofar as the subway construction goes. Will be pickin’ up the 4x8 ft sheet of 2 inch foam insulation board on Tuesday, some brackets and “strapping” to make up the suspension system that the foam board will rest on. I’m looking at two ovals, one inside the other, beneath Can-Am City - probably encompassing about a 3.5 x 8 ft area. C’mon down and lend a hand! [tup] I’ll provide the food, beer and place to stay! Now, how can you beat that [?]

Finally, THANX for the round! [tup]

Enjoy whatever time you and Heather have for one another this weekend!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Hi, I found this fine site today. I remember my first train trip in 1950. From Davenport, Iowa to Palmer, Massachusetts, on the Rock Island and the New York Central. I was 3 years old.

I know there were troop trains as recently as 1966. I was on one overnight from New York to Fort Jackson, SC., right after being drafted into the Army.

To “In Flanders Fields” was “America’s Answer” by R. W. Lilliard:

Rest ye in peace, ye Flanders dead.
The fight that ye so bravely led
We’ve taken up. And we will keep
True faith with you who lie asleep
With each a cross to mark his bed,
In Flanders fields

Fear not that ye have died for naught.
The torch ye threw to us we caught.
Ten million hands will hold it high,
And Freedom’s light shall never die!
We’ve learned the lesson that ye taught
In Flanders fields

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Yes, yes yes, “Our” Place is closed on Sunday (probably the only day that the average working Bloke has time to “sit down and sit a spell…)” but I couldn’t let wanswheel’s post go by without a mention. Welcome to “Our” Place Sir; I think I speak for all of our members in saying your quote of Lilliard’s ode is timely and appreciated. You may find that this “Thread” has more rules and by-laws than the Detroit Chapter of the American Auto Makers Union but if you have the patients and stamina to “stick with it,” the “benifits” are unsurpassed. Once again, thanks for dropping by. Happy rails to you.

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SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and we are CLOSED until 6 AM, Monday.

Info for the Day:

As always, you may slip your messages through the mail slots on either set of front doors and they will surely get Posted!

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 00:04:42 (160) Vets/Remembrance Day, etc.

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 06:28:44 (161) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 06:38:17 (161)

(4)siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 08:58:54 (161) reply to BudKarr – passengerfan – Trolleyboy – Theodorebear, etc.

(5) pwolfe Pete Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 11:15:27 (161)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 14:01:48 (161) ENCORE! All 9 WWII Ads

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 17:44:30 (161) reply to pwolfe

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 18:25:38 (161) Inclusive Post!

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 18:38:37 (161) ENCORE! Classic Juice #1

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Nov 2005, 18:53:48 (161) reply to trolleyboy

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

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Good morning all. Sometimes I think Tom looks over the equipment roster at the IRM to choose his fallen flags! I was amazed to learn that as few cars that the Illinois Terminal Railway had, that we have 12 on the property!Here’s a quick pic for the mailslot!

Builder: Electro Motive Division GM . Year Built: 1953 . Model: GP-7
Horsepower: 1500 . Length: 55ft 9in . Width: 10ft 3in . Height: 14ft 6in
Weight: 240000 lbs . Brakes: 6BL .Engine: 16-567BC . Motors: 4 EMD D37B
Trucks: Blomberg . Description: Diesel-Electric (Later No. 1505)

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Yes, we ARE CLOSED today, but I see a bit of a response is in order regarding a new visitor, wanswheel:

The first thing we do (or should do) is check the Profile of a new visitor to “Our” Place just to “get to know” one another a bit. I see there isn’t any elaboration in yours. Well, we respect your decision - however, feel free to check ours out by “clicking” on our cyber names …

I see you are new to the Forums and that means there is a lot to learn. Let me just offer this - regardless of what Forum and Thread you visit, be sure to read the FIRST POST (submission) - it will give you an idea of what that particular discussion is all about. The subject line is nothing more than the “hook” to get you inside.

We appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and while it may be true that we have lots of structure 'round here - it is done simply to ensure that we do NOT deteriorate to the level of other Threads. We acknowledge one another - we greet the barkeep and order a drink upon “entering” and we read up on what we’ve missed between visits.
That’s pretty much the gist of it …

Hope you enjoy checking us out - read page 1; then go back about 5 or 6 pages and take a look at the way things are done 'round here!

Hope to see you again, and should you return, you’ll receive your “official greeting” and free drink! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some Pix from an album I created for Pete, They were taken at the Essex Valley RR, Essex, CT on October 20th, 2005 by Pete while on vacation:

Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

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Hello everyone. I realize OUR PLACE is closed but it seems that today is about the only time lately that I’ve been able to check in. For some reason, my access to this site has been blocked and was just so as I was typing. I will try again but it’s aggravating to spend 30 minutes just to attempt to open.
As usual, there are several fine posts and even some new faces around the bar. Welcome. I believe you’ll find Tom runs the best establishment this side of cyberspace!

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Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some Pix of my newly arrived “Red Bird” subway cars that somehow wound up on the Can-Am Railroad!

What’s this at Union Station?

Looks like subway cars!

They ARE subway cars!

Why are subway cars here?

Subway cars at “Our” Place?

Subway cars ARE at “Our” Place!

Subway cars at Can-Am Gorge!

Subway cars at Land-Between-the-Lakes!

Subway cars in the mountains!

That’s it – Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

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Good afternoon Tom. I have made it to add a few snaps to this weeks picture parade.

First off thanks doug if nothing else can be said about the Illinois Terminal you certainly can’t say that you did nit see the locomotive at the grade crossing.

Tom and Pete wonderfull shots as well, Love tha steam I can almost smell the coal. And BTW Tom I think your comuters will be happy with their new rapid transit system[tup] The all reds do look quite a bit ( superfically as TTC’s original red G cars ) That’s the set i think I will be tracking down.

I’d love to help you build but this time of year travel is impossible for me. [sigh] We would make quite the club though if we were closer geographically. You and I could supervise Ted LOL [swg]

You will be happy with the interior of #8 it’s fancier than it’s exterior ! Nice plush red velvet seats in the main passenger compartment,leather in then smoking section and wonderfull stained glass upper window paynes.

I found this photo of Kitchener Waterloo Birney car #62. This goes along with classic juice#6 I beleave. This car is at the main carbarn and is about to leave for rush hour on the Bridgeport line photo date to 1939 prior to the lines closure/ Thanks to my friend richard vincent who shot the picture.

This is a shot of cars L&PS 8 and MS&C 107. You can also see one of the G cars that in this photo had just arrived at the museum.

Rob

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Hello Captain Tom,

I was in the neighborhood and thought it would be approrpiate to review the photographs for the day.

Nice subway cars. Also the trolleys from Mr. Trolleyboy show up well too. Mr. Pwolfe, those photographs from Essex turned out well. When the passenger car is enlarged, the details are very vivid, right down to the riveting.

I see that somewhere along the line my name has been associated with two stars. I am not at all certain that this is a good thing, for I never intended to remain as a browser much less contributor to anything involving model or real railroads, but here I am. Really a fascinating discussion group, at your bar.

Must bid adieu for the evening and get ready for another impending trip. Sorry, but nothing connected with railroading, this time or the last.

BK