Good Evening Tom. Thought I would sneak in early and leave a short post for tomorrow.
Received the second book in the passenger car series from The Southern Pacific Historical and Technical Society this week. And it sure is making it difficult to study for my final exams. This book Vol 2 Southern Pacific Passenger cars Sleepers and Baggage -Dorrms has 588 pages packed with information that a really serious passenger fan of the Southern Pacific should not miss. This isn’t a plug for the SPH&TS but they did a fine job on this book just like the first volume on Coaches and Chair cars.
Like the first Volume this volume is a wealth of information and photos.
Apparently there will be three more volumes to complete the series. I only hope I’m around long enough to acquire them. I thought I had a lot of information on SP sleeping cars and coaches but these two volumes show me I really didn’t have as much as I thought.
By the way Tom, like Rob I think your new subway cars could pass for the G cars of Toronto. Rode them many time on the Yonge St. Line when I lived their.
Am looking forward to the May rendezvous in Toronto and am making final plans as I write this.Will book with my Travel Agent this week or next.
MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS
G’day All! Yes, it is Monday and the cycle begins again. Why not start your day with us by drawing a cup of freshly brewed coffee, some fresh pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and perhaps order one of our breakfasts [?]
Info for the Day:
Nothing special – “routine” for the week:
Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day.”
Thursday is “Fish ‘n Chips Nite.”
Friday is “Pizza Nite” and “Steak ‘n Fries Nite.”
Saturday is “ENCORE!” day.
INDEX Mondays only!
Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270
-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).
Fallen Flags (passenger ops)
106/150 SP……. 106/150 MoPac . 108/155 WP …… 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………. 112 Heralds …… 114 ACL ………… 115 SAL
116 D&RGW …… 118 RI .………… 119 D&H ………… 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …. 124 UP.………… 125 AT&SF ……… 127 B&O
128 CM&StP.…. 129 CB&Q ………. 130 Soo Line … 133 C&NW
134 SP&S ……… 136 GN ………… 139 B&M ………… 140 NYNH&H; NH
141 MEC ……… 142 BAR .………. 145 NP …………. 146 L&N
147 Wabash …… 148 C&O ………. 148 KCS ………… 151 N&W
152 Erie ………… 152 IC …………… 154 NPR .………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……… 157 RDG ………. 158 MON ………. 159 IT
Passenger Train Nostalgia
110 ……… MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. Passeng
Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Lehigh Valley Railroad (LV) 
Headquarters: New York
Mileage in 1950: 1,254
Locomotives in 1963:
Diesel: 210
Rolling stock in 1950:
Freight cars: 10,835
Passenger cars: 0
Principal routes in 1950:
Jersey City & New York City-Wilkes Barre, PA-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY (PRR tracks between Newark & Penn Station, NY)
Mountain Top-Pittston Jct., PA, via Avoca
Sayre, PA-Fair Haven, NY
Van Etten-Ithaca-Geneva, NY
Geneva-Auburn, NY
Ithaca-Canastota, NY
Rochester-Hemlock, NY
Sayre-Elmira & Horseheads, NY
Penn Haven Jct.-Hazleton-Mt. Carmel, PA
Towanda-Bernice, PA
South Plainfield-Perth Amboy, NJ
Passenger trains of note:
Black Diamond (New York City & Philadelphia-Detroit)
Maple Leaf (New York City-Toronto, ON)
The Star (New York City-Buffalo)
Asa Packer (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)
The John Wilkes (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)
Enjoy! [tup]
Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
G’day!
Another weekend has passed and here we are at the beginning of a new work week, unless of course you happen to be retired! [swg]
Thanx to barndad Doug ‘n trolleyboy Rob for participating in our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Appreciate the comments on my pix of the subway cars. Glad that pwolfe Pete’s pix got some attention too. [tup]
The offer still stands for anyone who would like to Post pix but, for whatever the reason, cannot. Send those to me by Email and I will create an album for you for Posting on Sunday Photo Posting Day! as was done for Nick – Chris and Pete.
earlydiesels Dan I’m at a loss with reference to whatever situation exists with your inability to sign in and/or access this site. Send me an Email and perhaps I can help you with some of the more familiar remedies.
Doug those Fallen Flags are selected at random from the data base I have put together. I’m glad to know that many of those cars from the IT remain in the world at your museum. [tup] Nice Geep Seven by the way! [tup][tup]
Rob Nice trolley submissions, as well as your narrative. [tup]
BudKarr BK I wouldn’t let those “stars” mean anything more than a numbers count – that’s all they are. You made it 100, not necessarily by design, but simply because you have been participating here and elsewhere. Not bad for a guy who profresses to be a non-hobbyist or a rail fan! [swg]
passengerfan Al Appreciate your Post for “today,” even if a bit early! Understand your situation. Looks like you and I will have our Rendezvous in Toronto reservations “in the bag” this month! Way to go ……. [tup]
Regarding my subway cars and yet to be constructed system, nice to know that the cars somehow blend in w
Good Morning all of you A.M. types. Tom, just a Danish and a “unleaded” today, I need to get to the garage a.s.a.p. this day. Hey, the Redirds are lookin’ good any where you place them on the Road.[tup] Their stardom will be greatly reduced when the “tubes” become their new home. Still, its a “knock out” punch for adding that extra feature on a already fine layout. BTW, just a casual observation of little importance: are the cars close enough together or should the coupler shanks be shortened a bit? Also, I believe those cars had safety screens located on either side of the car’s ends for passengers moving from one car to the next, no? Any how, congratulations on your purchase, they will really add a lot.[^]
Rob, the “Chicago P.C.C.s” I referred to were those that were “chopped” (both ends) and reconfigured for M.U. operations on the older “ELs” (cream and green). That would entail lots of “kit bashing” of the Bowser P.C.C. metal castings and probably more “labo(u)r intensive” than I want to take on just now. Is the Bowser “Liberty Bell” the referb of the “Brill Liner” that ran on the Philadelphia’s Red Arrow? Or, is it it the former St. Louis Car & Foundry “Electroliner” used on the North Shore Line and reshoped for the “Red Arrow?” In either case, it has possibilities for elevated operations sure enough.[tup] Hey, nice pix of the Birney, the L & PS #8 and M S & P # 107. The subway URL that trainnut sent along a week or so ago might offer something closer to the “G” cars than the Red Bird? It appears the door arrangement would need to be altered on the Red Birds. X-mas loop? That would be the G gauge “Fence Line R.R.” (outside) and only the addition of Santa Clause riding atop the Santa Fe Doodlebug is necessary (lights, etc.) Oh, best to leave the snow where it falls. I left my shovels in Maryland and Oklahoma.[V]
Al, it never fails! The more one knows, the more one knows one doesn’t know. You may never complete your first edition at t
Good Morning All: Coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
I really enjoyed looking through all of the posts and other materials for Veterand Day and Remembrance Day. There csertainly were some thoughtful reminiscences and the ads were a nice touch as well. I have a tearsheet from Life for the NYC Hill Top ad. Another one which came to mind which I have somewhere and need to find is the famous New Haven ad, the “Kid in Upper 4.” This was so popular that a series of “Kid” ads followed. As for the IT geep - wow! also the Kitchener Birney and the L&PS shot.
Here’s a little more information on the Lehigh Valley.
The Middle anthracite field did not get a railroad at fiorst due to its remote location and also because the Lehigh Coal and Navigation Company fought to keep its monoploy on anthracote shipments on the Lehigh Canal. The canal, however, was an undependable source of transportation because of weather and damage from repeated floods.
Asa Packer, a businessman and canal boat operator, decided to try and solve the problem and bought the charter of the so-called “paper” Delaware, Schuylkill and Susquehanna Railroad.
Packer changed the company’s name to the Lehigh Valley (LV) and started laying track from Mauch Chunk (Jim Thorpe) to Easton. Packer’s railroad was complete and operating by 185. The LV eventually reached as far west as Buffalo and on the east of New York harbor.
Packer was a visonary in that he built the Valley only as a railroad company rather than part of a larger mining operation. The Lehigh Valley got into mining after the Civil War. In the 1870s the Valley set up the subsidiary Lehigh Valley Coal Company (LVCC) to watch over its mining interests. By 1911, the LVCC’s operations ran more than 8 million tons per year, and by 1916 thay owned 30 breakers to handle their coal. At its height, only the Rading carried more coal than the Lehigh Valley.
work safe
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List … however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash …
2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. Sep 16th):
February 2nd (Kevin – 49)
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65)
July 25th (Chris - 51)
July 30th (Russell – 34)
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)
December 29th (CM3) – 59 Next up!
Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).
Corrections too!
The 2006 revision will drop the names of all inactive customers.
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
G’day!
Some additional acknowledgments:
Theodorebear Ted Posted: 14 Nov 2005, 07:45:16
Glad you like the Red Bird pix. The cars in my set are not “close coupled,” however, LifeLike’s next iteration of these cars will be. Check out this URL: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-31015
Now, I would suspect that “close coupled” means a potential problem with narrower radius curves. But I’ll leave that to the more “serious” modelers out there …….
In view of the plans I have for my subway, with viewing being restricted through portals (“shadow box windows”), I have no plans to make any adjustments to the cars. This is really a “KISS” effort, no more ‘n no less. [tup]
Nice to witness the positive momentum regarding the ”Our” Place Rendezvous in Toronto this May. [tup][tup][tup]
coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 14 Nov 2005, 08:21:20
We appreciated your “early” participation in our Veterans/Remembrance Day commemoration. Yes, we had some fine Posts and the results speak for themselves. [tup][tup][tup]
Good stuff on the LV! [tup][tup]
I see that YOU are “next up” on our Birthday Watch List, so WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK and WHAT TIME do you wi***o celebrate YOUR DAY with us [?]
Thanx for the round and quarters for our Wurltizter! [swg]
Catch y’all later!
Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
P.S. A suggestion for all: When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the m
Good afternoon Tom. Since this is the first of my two daze off to recover from the weekend midnights I’ll just do a tea and a nice dagwood from the kitchen. Anything heavier and I’ll be asleep again.
I can’t add much to the LV other than that the maple leaf in one incarnation or other survived as a name anyway on the Amtrak/Via timeiable till the bulk of the cross boarder service stopped at any rate.
I seem to be missing a couple of Classic Juices on my barn ( love that little addition however [tup][tup][swg] ) I’ll try to find them and post the page numbers for you.
Ted and Al glad to know that the two of youn are confirmed for TO I will be in contact with everyone a bit later with some additional stuff.
Al I agree the redbirds are as close as you will get to the original or follow up G car orders. NJ Int Brass did produce an actual set in the 70’s but they were brutally expensive then over $150 US for two cars in 1970’s dollars. They are as common as hen’s teeth as well.
I see that you to are easily distracted by new books as well must be a train person thing
Good luck on the exams though Our place needs a full time tax guy. LOL
Bk Thanks for the comments on the pictures etc. happy landings on your latest trip by the way . Also, I wouldn’t worry about the star thing either, most of us ignore them and resign them as a neccessary evil that keep’s the “normal” forum users amused.
Ted To answer your question / comments, you are right that would be prettyn heavy reconstructive work on the Bowser PCC’s,ugh that white metak can be a chore to clean out the windows of let alone to major conversion work to. You could use a pair of PCC’s mu’d and conected with tomlinson couplers. Clevelands Shaker heights line ran as a priveta right or way suberban line with two and three unit trains of coupled PCC’s, or they could run individually as well. The liberty bell cars I th
G’day All!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #24
Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.
Enjoy the Pleasure Dome only dome car between Chicago and Los Angeles
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . new Super Chief . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The restful observation lounge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . “top of the Super, next to the stars” . . .
. . . . . . is only one of many features you will enjoy on the . . . . . .
new Super Chief, the train that sets a new world standard
. . . . of travel. Daily between Chicago and Los Angeles. . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Enjoy! [tup]
Tom[4:-)][oX)]
CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!
Okay Classic Juice #10
The changes in car design and crewing and the comming of the safety car’
A lot of you will remember the Saftey car or the Birney from your own cities systems. Next to the Witt Birney’s were likely the most common streetcar type out there, with most major and alot of the minor systems operating them,they came in two main forms the single or double truck models. They were designed for singleman operation as well, hence the safety car moniker.
First a bit of run up back history to the avant of the one man car.
To the uninitiated,the general appearance of trolley’sappearse tio have chaged little before the 1930’s. One however can find many subtle changes beginning in the 20’s. Monitor roofs , with their small openable clerestry windows, gave way to the arched roof with ventilators around 1910. Rear plateforms were enlarged for the new Pay as you enter PAYE fare system , and doors started to appear more commonly in the centre when Paye as you pass started with the Witt cars.
More common use of bright colours, and the abandonment of fancy lettering and striping in the 20’s also occured. Likley the biggest change was construction methods, in the 20’s steel replaced wood as the construction medium. At the turn of the century (approx 1906 ) steel was used as an underframe, with a wood body previous to that cars were generally all wood. The first NA manufacturer tp do steel bodies was the pressed steel company of Pittsburgh which delivered it’s first all steel cars to Montreal in 1907.
Most companies however beleaved that heavier wood bodied cars ( steel underframe ) gave a smoother ride,some going even as far as to insist on concrete floors for extra added stability ! Nevertheless steel offered more strength ,was less fragile for external panel use, and could be more easily repaired with rivetting or welding. It was also more fireproo
Tom[oX] you snuck your nostalgia in while I was writing a novel[(-D][{(-_-)}]. The Nipissing central is calssic juice #9 I just haven’t found which page I posted it on yet though I will let you know. It’s from Nick’s favourite part of Ontario so we can’t forget about it.
The “Pleasure Dome” eh? Brings up some interesting conotations doesn’t it. As always though some interesting info from your private stash [tup]
Rob
G’day!
What a horrid day here in mid-continent USA – hard ‘n cold rain, blustery is a good word with temps in the 40s (F). Spent the early mornin’ pickin’ up leaves (what else [?]) Filled eight 32 gallon containers with ‘em before the rains came – did the same on Saturday. Trees are just about ready to let go of some more. Argggggggh. In my next life, with my next wife – there will be NO deciduous trees in my yard! [swg]
To the acknowledgments:
trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Nov 2005, 14:05:45 and 14:53:40 and 15:00:44
Two days off! In succession [?] Isn’t that a bit, well – errrrrrrrr, excessive [?] I mean, if YOU aren’t at the store, who is watchin’ it [?] Slacker! [swg]
Glad to see you in daylight again. Never know these days (daze) just who is goin’ to pop in on us.
Whaddyamean, “Our” Place needs a full time tax guy [?] And just where do you suppose the salary for that kinda “help” will come from [?] Let’s see, U.S. and Canadian federal tax forms; Mentor Village tax forms, and Can-Am County tax forms. Hmmmmmmm, maybe we could use some help! However, Cindy and I have been doin’ quite well with the “forms” ………
Missing “Classic Juice” Posts? Hmmmmm, last one you put out there was #8. Now if you are thinking about those “abbreviated blurbs” of a few pages ago, I’ll have to think about that. Your barn may grow into a multi-level building if we’re not careful! [swg]
That loooooooooooong “Juice” of yours will have to be read a bit later on …… the bride is just about to pull into the garage and it’s time for me to get back to being, “House Husband, America’s Noblest Domestic Duty!” [swg]
Check your Email!! Need to “talk” with you.
Catch y’all later!
Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
My nagging reminder to all! – When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up”
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of the usual please.
Thanks TOM for posting the photos for me and thanks to all for the kinds words about them[tup]. Also thanks to BARNDAD DOUG ROB and you TOM for your pics, trolleys on the CAN-AM They looked good.[tup][tup].
Another good Classic Juice ROB. I have heard somewhere that if the power was lost, the braking capacity on some the trolleys was much reduced.Perhaps you can tell me if this is true or not.[?] I heard this in England and it may have been the case on some of the trams over there.
Thanks Tom for the Fallen Flag and CM3 for the follow up [tup] I see the Lehigh ran some named trains but they did not own any passenger cars[%-)]. I suppose they borrowed them or were they through trains[?]
May I just say again THANKS TOM and TED for organising Friday
Hope to call in soon PETE.
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
Just had to jump in on the Pleasure Domes.
The Santa Fe ordered the six Pleasure domes from Pullman Standard in June 1947 and they were delivered for Super Chief service in December 1950. They were numbered 500 - 505 and were originally to have been named PLAZA ACOMA, PLAZA LAGUNA, PLAZA LAMY, PLAZA SANTA FE, PLAZA TAOS, and PLAZA ZUNI. They were the only dome cars of their type ever constructed The Dome level instead of seating the more common 24 seats in pairs twelve on either side of a center aisle, instead seated but eighteen at the front of the dome was a pair of seats facing forward on either side of the aisle. Next was four swiveling single Parlor type seats on either side of the aisle and finally there was a pair of dome seats facing the rear on the dome level.
The famous Turquoise room was in the short main level area forward of the dome and always operated forward next to the diner. The Turquoise Room was open to all passengers when not reserved for private parties. The area seated 12 for dining or as a cocktail lounge. Beneath the dome was located a cocktail lounge with a bar at the rear of the lower area the seating capaicity was 10. Directly behind the steps was located a desk and chair with free Super Chief Stationary and post cards on the right side of the car facing forward. On the remaining large main level was located a eighteen seat lounge with large chairs, sofas, and a table for four. These cars were among the finest lounge cars ever built for any railroad.
At the same time these cars entered Super Chief service new sleeping cars and dining cars were added as well. These cars were for the second reequipping of the daily Super Chief since WW-II.
Everything about the train the Santa Fe called Super Chief was indeed SUPER and the Pleasure Domes were just one more example of the way the Santa Fe pampered its passengers.
Well howdy folks-remember me ?
[4:-)]TOM ,Ill have a Staropramen please ( Black Label I can get any time) an Alexander Keiths for your good self and what ever the Gentlemenof the house are enjoying tonight. Before I launch into the usual waffle,congratulations on a fine acknowledgement of Rememberance Day ( over here,the nearest sunday)-several of those pieces raised the hairs on the back of my neck,as did "Flanders Fields"--Well done my friend and thankyou on behalf of those members of my family who answered the call. So,to business-them Redbirds look mighty fine--and no need to feel guilty aboutsurface running-a number of London Transports “tube” lines run on the surface once outside the Metropolis-all you need are some dummy 3rd & 4th rails and away to go [^] -They also have freight working of a sort-a daily tra***rain moves litter & general rubbish out to a landfill site out towards West Drayton/Uxbridge (nr Heathrow)-prototype for everything dept. strikes again !!!-will try and find some pix ( suspect that phrase will appear on my tombstone)…
O.K,moving on and in no particular order–DOUG-love that I.T geep,loud & proud [^],keep em coming !! PETE-fine camera work there my man-you wouldnt find P.Way like that on a passenger line over here-bet She rocked & rolled all the way-N.B-assume typo but surely Remembrance 4-6-4t-…Only Brighton 2-6-4s I can call to mind were the "River" class-rebuilt as tenders owing to centre-of-gravity problems dumped a couple of them in the ballast with casualties a plenty ( Stoats Nest,south of Croydon between the wars,although this may be fugitive memory) MANAGER TED-Glad Youve shrugged off the minor weather problems down in the Gulf, have just found your Katrina survivors E Mail ( don`t ask ! ). As a former Beagleist of some years standing I found the pix a rare delight-fine looking hounds at that,nice one ! You also mentioned the late Ted Heath,sadly he is mainly remembered in this country as one of our less succe
Hi guys,quick note-seems we have another contentious d*ckhead on the forum-goes under gunit-suggest best ignored ( or shot,if in your neighourhood) later,nick
Evenin’ Gang!
The rains held off just long enough to get Juneau out for his one mile evenin’ walk! Never want to deprive a Siberian Husky of exercise time - one pays the price … [swg]
I see we’ve had a couple of visitors:
pwolfe Pete Was wonderin’ where you’ve been. [swg]
Those are subway cars, Mate, not trolleys! [tdn] But, I’m glad you enjoyed the pix! [tup] If the second set ever gets here (which was ordered first) I’ll probably Post those pix too.
I will yield to passengerfan Al in reference to your question regarding the LV and the use of passenger cars (leased or …).
All is still on track for Saturday at Stone Hill’s 1847 Restaurant! [tup]
passengerfan Al I figured any mention of a dome would drag you away from your study sessions! [swg] Nice supplemental info! [tup] I can only imagine what those cars must have been like to travel in …
As I have mentioned several times, I traveled from LA to Chicago on the Santa Fe back in 1947 or 48 as a kid. I do not have a clue with regard to the name of the train nor do I remember a dome car. So perhaps I was not on the Super Chief. Guess I’ll never know.
Thought we’d get a response out of Trainnut484 Russell - but I don’t think he comes up for air very often any more - at least not here. Shame - as he has missed some good stuff about his favorite RR lately.
Oh yes, received your Email response … thanx!
Finally, nickinwestwales [C=:-)] Nick - Back again! Hopefully this means we will see a bit more of you 'round here. Fortunately Boris has been occuppied with his “pet,” Tex the Armadillo, otherwise he’d be a “fit” to handle in your absence. However, he’s not very pleased with you regarding his Birthday Bash on Halloween Nig
Good Evening Tom and the gang once again. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
I just wanted to let you know that the LV definitly owned passenger carsand even some that were streamlined. Otto Kuhler streamlined a number of Pacific’s for the railroad trhat were among the finest looking of all streamlined steam power. The trains that recived streamlined power were the John Wilkes and Black Diamond.
The Lehigh Valley owned two lots of lightweight streamlined coaches both built by Pullman Standard in the old Osgood Bradley plant in Worcester, Mass. The so called Ameerican Flyer cars were delivered in 1939 1510-1514 seated 92 and 1515-1519 seated 82. They were assigned to Black Diamond along with heavyweight dining cars and modernized heavyweight Pullman Parlor cars WHITE DIAMOND and BLACK DIAMOND. All head end cars owned by the LV were also heavyweights.
The LV received two RDC’s in 1951 an RDC-1 numbered 40 arrived in June 1951 and an RDC-2 number 41 was delivered to the railrod in August 1951.
The Maple Leaf a train with through Sleeping cars to Toronto via the Canadian National was also operated by the LV from Buffalo to New York. The through Canadian National sleeping cars were streamlined by the mid 1950’s. The Maple Leaf was most famous for the PA locomotives owned by the LV that pulled them until the train was finally discontinued. In fact the PA’s were the power choice for the postwar trains of the LV.
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