ok, Tom how about Coffee and a bagel?
P
Good Morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar,
I hope that is a sufficient greeting to keep me from your “Tweeeeeeetings.” Ah yes, I could use one of your steaming hot mugs of coffee, but with just a dash of something to make it stimulating. Your choice. Let me wander over to the bakery case and select a couple of those good looking delights.
Another window popped open for communications. We’re on satellite here in the mountains of Alberta, don’t know what system my friend is on, but it works.
My, my, the postings have been quite interesting and involved for the past several pages. Indeed, it seems that the bar has taken on a totally new direction with the information being provided. I found myself entranced somewhat with all of those reprints by Mr. Barndad. Very interesting and pleasant reading. Good choices.
Noticed that some of the regulars have dropped by the wayside. That will happen as people find new things to perk their interests. I would suspect that is behind the absences moreso than anything else. If one is to participate at this particular thread, one must be willing to “play the game,” as you so aptly put it, or be ignored. I respect that. You built this idea from scratch and should have the right to maintain it the way you see fit. We, on the other hand, have the option of checking out. I would say you have a steady clientele and a loyal one at that. Good show!
We may spend the weekend in the big city – a rather long drive to Edmonton. I prefer taking a private flight, but the Lady of the Manor is not so inclined. The mountain up and down drafts frighten her. Actually, the pucker factor does increase for me as well. However, it is a much more expedient way to close the distances.
My plans are flexible at the moment and unless I receive a call requesting my immediate services, I may just stay up here over the holidays. We are booked for one of the former CP lodges and it shoul
Morning Tom. I’ll sample a light breakfast as long as boris doesn’t scramble the eggs with his fingers again.
Tom those buses I found were the busch ones so 40 a pop is a bit much. I did however pick up three of Jordens little 1940’s vintage Ford transits they came out with this year. I’ve painted them in the pullman green TH&B creame of the bulk of my street car fleet, so it looks ( when they are together on the layout ) like they belong to the smae parent company. Like Ted i have two paint jobs. Two of my bowser brills and my walthers birney are in a modified insignia red and TH&B creame livery. Less drab so obviously the older paint job when money was good for the streetcar company.
On a totally unrelated thought. [#offtopic] ( sort of ). Your mention of the morse code and looking for your speed key reminds me of my second great love ( okay third after trains and Heather ) Is the Canadian Navy. If you do a web search for the HMCS Haida historical museum ( she’s a Tribal class destroyer served in WW2 and the Korean war retired in 1963 ) Today she is moored in Hamilton harbour as a museum ship. anyway their website chronicals her removal from Toronto harbour in 2002 and her towing accross Lake Ontario to St Catharines for a major hull refit ( hull at waterline was less than an inch think upon inspection in drydock ) and her then move to Hamilton ( toronto’s loss for sure ) they also go into detail on the various radio room amd teletype machines refits and restoration they have done over the years. Worth any off you with an inkling of maritime history to check out.
Ted sounds like you are making some headway there for your “el” I would say why not Chicago , Milwaukee etc Used what were essentially subway cars on their els so those redbirds that Tom picked up should do well. case in point at the museum we have a chicago “el” car #48. These cars could be mu’d but also operated separatly on light days ( like there were any in Chicago ) Interstingly when
G’day!
Failed to mention that petrol up at “Collusion Corner” jumped to $2.00 (rounded) from $1.87 (rounded) yesterday. No rhyme or reason, other than someone must have sneezed at OPEC. My guess, based on absolutely nothing scientific, is that we’ll all soon see it rise and keep rising until “big oil” settles in on what they feel is necessary to keep the stockholders happy.
[soapbox] [banghead] Boris Ring the bell – drinks on me!
COMMENTARY
This thread is an inclusivie one whereby we acknowledge the other guy and his efforts. I’m noticing that some of you aren’t “into” this type of thing. A reminder is that “turn about is fair play.”
To the acknowledgments:
coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:09:41
An Email has been sent your way ……
Yes, I have given some thought to soliciting some Christmastime rail travel inputs for the bar. Thought it best to wait a couple of weeks, in that past experience shows that too much notice equates to either forgetting or simply “blowing off” the idea. It will get mentioned – good idea, thanx! [tup]
For all: Acronym decipher: IIRC means “If I recall/remember correctly,” for those of you who may not have picked up on this. We are “into” all kinds of shortcuts these days (daze) now that Email and cyber communications have virtually destroyed English grammar! [swg]
Thanx for the concern, but Awk 
is safe ‘n sound upon his gold perch – formerly the gold clapper up in my private quarters. He had quite a Thanskgiving Day as more than one tried to “run ‘em through” for roasting on a spit … [tdn]. Had you been here, you would have heard is most appropria
Hmm saw Tom poking about but he’s up and disappeared again.[:(]
Oh well I’ll go ahead with this next post anyway.
Classic Juice # 12 The Toronto Civic Railways
The Toronto civic was a collection of streetcar lines that the city built to provide transit in areas that the privatly owned Toronto Railway Company, Toronto Suburban Railway, and the Toronto and York Radial railway would not or could not cover. The Civic lines wer all separate and did not attach to each other so each division had it’s own car house snowsweepers and maintenace facilities. The years of operation were 1912-1921.
The primary lines were located as follows Landsdowne to St clair. The St Clair line which did connect eventually with the Landsdowne line, Danforth,Bloor west,and The Gerard line. The Gerard line eventually conected into the Danforth line.The lines brokje down as follows. The St Clair line ran along St Clair Avenue from Yonge street to the Northewrn division of the Grand Trunk Railway 3.10 miles. The Gerard line and Coxwell Avenue line ran from Greenwood avenue to Main street,then north on Main to Danforth ave 2.14 miles . The Danforth line ran from Greenwood Ave to the east city limits 2.10. These were all operational by 1916.
Two additiinal lines were started in 1915 finished by 1917. A line along Bloor Street West was built from Dundas street,where a conection was made with the Toronto railway company line on their Dundas to Quebec street route 0.745 mile. The final line was built on Landsdowne from St Clair to the CPR tracks at Royce avenue a line of 0.615 miles. this completed the Civic’s lines several other lines were proposed but stopped in 1920 as the merger of all the Toronto street railway comapnies to form the now TTC was under way at that point.
Four proposed but never built civic lines were as follows. Bathhurst street, from the St Clair line to Davenport road then along Davenport to Du
G’day All!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #35
Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The M****ountaineer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Famous Train through the CANADIAN ROCKIES
THIS YEAR will operate Daily June 29 thru August 28 between
ST. PAUL – MINNEAPOLIS
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NORTH PACIFIC COAST
Via Soo Line St. Paul-Portal. . . . . . . . . . . Can. Pac. Ry. Portal-Vancouver.
Through Standard Sleeping Cars offering Drawing-room, Compartment, Bedrooms, Roomette and Open Section accommodations, also excellent Dining Car Service.
Note – The Mountaineer is Diesel Electric Powered between ST. PAUL, MINN., and Portal, N.D. and in the Mountains.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . From ST. PAUL June 29 thru Auust 28.
Exmpl . down . . . From VANCOUVER July 2 thru August 31 . . up . . . Exmpl
Sat . . . 9 40 PM .lv St. Paul (C.T.) . . . . . . (Soo Line) . . . . . . . .ar 7:15 AM Sat
“ . . . . 1025 PM lv Minneapolis . . . . . . . . . (Soo Line) . . . . . . . .ar 6 30 AM “
Mon . . 7 15 AM ar Calgary (M.T.) .
Tom figured you were (de)composing a post when you disappeared roight before I dropped the above on everyone. I suppose my arm could be twisted the Haida museum isn’t to far off the beaten path as it were if we so choose in May [:-^] Likley a ten to twenty minute drive from the hotel ! BTW I’ll grab a coffee to go and a couple of the danishes ( no Boris not the prune ones those are for Ted )[:(!] Lord knows why Nick puts up with him. I see that Awk and tex are getting along fine looks like Awk likes riding on Tex’s shoulder hump.
Let we think on the bus idea I will let you know via email.
Ta for now everyone.
Rob
Yo Rob!
Had to take a “time out,” Juneau demanded “equal time.” Man oh man, it feels like northern Canada out there today! [yeah] [;)]
Regarding the Rendezvous - as long as we keep Friday strictly for steel wheels on steel rails - no sweat. We could “do it” on Saturday … fine with me. Let’s continue this via Email - gets a bit convoluted here on the thread.
[yeah] Awk has a way with “creatures!” His own armored car, so to speak! [swg]
Check out the Walthers site at www.walthers.com - type in Fishbowls and you’ll get the listings on them. Busch is the manufacturer. Don’t know how long the sale will last.
My last Post was at 12:01 and yours was at 12:07. So the question is - did you catch the NOSTALGiA piece [?] By the by, thanx for that Classic Juice. Good readin’ … [tup]
Later!
Tom[4:-)][oX)]
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List … however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash …
2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. Sep 16th):
February 2nd (Kevin – 49)
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65)
July 25th (Chris - 51)
July 30th (Russell – 34)
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)
December 29th (CM3) – 59 Next up!
Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).
Corrections too!
Names of those in The Legion of the Lost will be dropped in 2006.
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
Well good evening gentlemen all,a brief visit this evening-todays rubble shifting (weather as advertised) has rather sapped my energies.
straight to business therefore:- We`ll try a mixture of the traditional and the exotic tonight
The soup kettle has been working double time today so we can offer:-
Leek & potato with smoked bacon
Clam chowder
French onion with croutons au gratin
On the fish front we have:-
North Sea Cod in Yorkshire beer batter
Haddock in herbed breadcrumbs
Paneed Lemon Sole
Mixed Crepes with scallops,tiger prawns,mussels & red lobster in provencal sauce
Grilled Red Snapper with lime & chilli butter sauce
A touch of the exotic perhaps…?
Roasted pumpkin with bacon,green pepper,baby corn & red onion,all doused in olive oil on a bed of cous-cous
Peking Duck,with spring onions,pancakes & full range of dipping sauces
[C=:-)]s choice meal for two-Pate Maison with reform sauce and fresh baked rolls followed by Whole Lobster with salad platter [C=:-)]s choice meal for four or more-the Indian Platter,- Beef Madras,Tandoori Chicken Tikka ,King Prawn Jalfrezi,Pork Bhuna,double Singapore special rice,double vegetable biriyani,Bhindi Brinjal & Sag Aloo Korma,Lamb Samosas, Onion Bhajees,Nan Breads,poppadoms & chutney tray
O.K-Thats me for the galley,Enjoy !
P.S [4:-)]TOM-dont sweat sun.pix.-barely tapped the well yet [swg]-just name a theme or topic-bound to be able to find some weird angle on it [^],later,nick[C=:-)]
Evenin!
Well, the bottom apparently has dropped out, for there’s been an absence of customers from early afrernoon on. The morning was quite busy though. That’s life at the “Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill.” [%-)][%-)]
Ncie menu, Chief Chef [C=:-)] Nick and I’m sure the track gangs from the Can-Am, CN and CP RR’s will dig in just as soon as the tables are ready. [tup][tup]
Appreciate your remembering that this is our Fish 'n Chips Nite but alas, we haven’t had any “takers” for quite awhile, with the execption of pwolfe Pete, always seems to remember this night! [swg] I saw him lurking in the shadows again, so perhaps he’ll show up …
I’m not really “concerned” about the pix for Sunday … just trying to gin up support for it. There is a plus to this for me - less time here and more time for other interests. [tup]
Has anyone else noticed the increase in the “nonsense” Postings on our Forum [?] Just check out the “profiles” and you’ll quickly figure out what they are all about - no information or those getting started with racking up the numbers count. I urge one and all not to give these people any encouragement.
Given that it has been so quiet 'round here, I decided to Post the Birthday Watch List again. As with so many other features of “Our” Place occasional reminders can’t hurt … [tup]
Later!
Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Hi Tom and gang, Happy December. It goes so fast, I got older than the lot of you who still enjoy snow. I still like Hank Snow though.
Nick what a feast! And just in time, now I won’t have to run to 7-11 for munchies.
Tom it occurs to me that the railroads and the telegraph wires were the Internet of the 19th century. Incidentally I did not know USCG had ceased monitering for SOS. But it’s still shorthand for distress, as everyone knows. Compare IIRC, which is just what a thread about trains needs. More Initials.(note to self: put smiley right about here)
Rob there seems to be lots of geography in Toronto. The big city, for sure. I’ll have to stop at the Trolley Juice concession stand and buy a map.
Nick, I’ve learned from sources that you are in fact a 92-year old peasant farmer in China who learned English by listening to the BBC on a contraband short wave radio. But that’s about all the beans I can spill here. There are two reasons:
- My father would not approve of my posting copyrighted material on his publisher’s free website without a clearance from the higher ups.
- I don’t know how.
BK “entranced” is exactly the word for how I read Barndad’s posts too. He’s got a keen eye for good stuff to post. Incidentally I doubt if the fallen away patrons are likely to forget Our Place. I’ll be gone as soon as tomorrow for all I know. No, I’m hooked for now.
Pretty sure I’m going to remember being here though
What to make of P’s letter on page 176? Still good New York Central System service. I rode across Ontario from South Bend, Indiana to New York that year. The club car stopped serving drinks when the train entered Canada.
And Lefty Frizzell:
I was born in Saginaw , Michigan
I grew up in a house on Saginaw Bay
My dad was a poor, hard working Saginaw fisherman
Too many times he came home with too little pay
I loved a girl in Saginaw, Michigan
The daughter of
Good evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
Being the first it was a madhouse at the office today.
Rob I like you always though CPR had the right idea for streamlined steam they were always among my favorites. But much can be said for GN and C&O steam who let everything hang out no streamlined steam until the C&O decided to rebuild those Hudsons. Much can also be said for the Daylight 4-8-4 as the SPO never overdid the streamlining. Never cared much for the fully streamlined CN Northerns.
Many felt the Raymond Loewey streamlined Pacifics for the Southern and Lehigh Valley were excellent for fully streamlined steam. Saw a color picture of the Southerns
's one and only streamlined Pacific and must say it was among my favorites. Never cared much for the NYC streamlined steam it just seemed out of place and I can’t explain why. Those streamlined Hudsons on the NYNH&H will always be among my favorites. The two CB&Q streamlined Hudsons never did much for me in the looks department but who can question a steam loco that could pull a twelve car train at the Century mark.
Watch for the morning streamliner corner it will be one of the more obscure and it was steam powered.
Any requests out their for streamliner corner will certainly be entertained.
TTFN AL
Eveing Tom and the gang… A special occasion, drinks for all, I return to duty tomorrow, new command, new assignment…new computer from the PX…I don’t ask much from life do I? Well, i’ve been occupied with fence building today so my vist has been somewhat delayed, gotta keep the investment looking good, keep Boris away from all paint .We all well remember what happen last time he got curious and the means were available .
Glad we have a fantastic group with vast interest, there is always room for some good natured debate and stimulating converstation. I for one would NEVER challange PassengerFanAl on his area of expertise, TrolleyBoy has the lowdown on electric operations, Nick the ace accross the pond on events revelent to the Isles, Tom our resident RDC fan and all around great host on all subjects and the numerous others that inpart. the identity of “Our Place” It’s heart and soul, so to speak.
Well, enough wisdom for tonight, set em up if you could please, gotta get that last finish coat on before the rain moves in tomorrow.
Dave
Evenin’ Gents!
A bit of a flurry here at the “Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!” [swg] It’s an amazin’ place we’ve got and even more amazin’ customers! [yeah][tup]
wanswheel Mike Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 19:46:07
Can’t monitor for “SOS” if there aren’t anymore Radiomen (RM’s) aboard the Cutters. Changed the rating a long time ago and stopped teaching the ‘code’ as well. Not during “my day,” but not that long after I retired. Proobably wouldn’t recognize the modern “radio shack.”
So, you’ve “uncovered” Nick’s true identity, eh [?] Clever! [swg]
Interesting “bit” regarding Saginaw, Michigan - never read that before. [tup][tup] All from a “post mark,” quite an “eye” you have!
We’re pleased that you’ve found yourself a place at our bar 'n grill. You’ve quickly become a regular ‘round here. Thanx for pickin’ up the slack … your Posts are right on the mark! [tup]
passengerfan AlPosted: 01 Dec 2005, 20:27:37
Glad you resurfaced! Appreciatre the round, as always! Boris Ring it!
We’ll all be watching for your next iteration of the Streamlilner series - question is, are YOU watching the NOSTALGIA pieces [?] [swg]
Requests [?] Well, anything regarding the PRR - NYC - NH and GG-1’s would put a smile on my face! [tup]
Okay guyz, Leon the Night Man has arrived wearing his shined Jump Boots - Air Borne! Set 'em up for the crowd and ring the bell, Boris!
Later! [zzz]
Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Hey West Coast S Dave Just caught your Post before I checked out … This evening’s activity rivals that of this morning. We had the doldrums during the afternoon. Can’t win 'em all, eh [?] [swg]
Send me an Email wudja [?] Never did get a response from the one I sent you …
Anyway, GREAT news! Hope this time 'round things go smoother and less stressful. [tup][tup][tup]
Okay - another round on the way - thanx Dave - Ring it Boris
I’m gone …
Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Hi Tom and all.
YES please North Sea Cod in Yorkshire Batter,Chips and Mushy Peas and as [C=:-)]NICK got any Sam SmIth’s Old Yorkshire Brewery Bitter in the CAN-AM Zepplin to wash it down[?][tup].
Great series on the Streamlines AL and thanks for the link TOM[tup].I see that the PRR S-1 #6100 was longer than a Big-boy and could haul a 1000 ton train at 100M.P.H. It is a shame it wasn’t preserved although it seems it wasn;t totally successful and had a short life.I was reading recently that one of the reasons the A4 pacifics of the L.N.E.R. kept their streamlining after the war was its ability to keep the smoke clear of the cab.
The story was that during the design stage a clay model was used in a wind tunnel to get the most aero-dynamic form for the casing. They had got the shape of the A4 but were experincing trouble with smoke drifting around the cab until a technician accidently pinched the clay model when putting it in the wind-tunnel behind the stack which cured the problem.
Glad you can join us while on holiday BK[tup]
Sorry Im late [#welcome] P.
WANSWHEEL Great poem and great post your are so right about Our Place[yeah].
I would also like to see the article from DEC 2000 of Trains this was the first R.R,Mag I bought in the U.S. it is now somewhere in England.
ROB thanks for the Classic Juice#12. I have been in touch with my mate in the U.K. he is still looking into the Immingham Tramway cars.By the way how far is it from Toronto to Montreal.
DAN hope you have a good weekend at the Midland.I have seen the advert looks like a great event.
TED Very much appriciate the comment on my British Railways posts [tup]. I dont know nearly enough on NA Railroads to post on them but with the knowledge of the regulars new and old at Our Place it is a great place and way to learn.
TOM Another great Nostalgia. I haven’t any new photos at the moment. My mate in the U.K. as just got a digit
Evening Leon I’ll grab a CR and heck ring up a round for everyone left standing Boris.
Tom did indeed catch the nostalgia post. Good stuff as always. I will check in on walther’s about those buses. I will likley send you an email if not tonight tomorrow.
Nick Wow great selection you have out done yourself as per usual. I’m sure that this menu espeacially with the multi group pics will make the managers archieves for sure. BTW I’ll have the sole !
mike Wonderfull little poem and not like Tom I’m glad that you have joined our little band of rabid train guys. TTC maps are available but they aren’t as interesting as the days before the TTC when upto five different electric surface systems moved people and things in and around Toronto.
Al I have to admit that I’m not entirely a streamlined steamerfan but the just enough approach of the CPR seemed right. Although I do like the pictures of the Lehigh streamlined in the striped cornel red. I’ve no speacila requests either, anything with alot of juice flowing through would be nice though !
Pete How are you. No rush on that info from yopur freind nomne of us are going anywhere soon. To answer your distance question its about 750-800km between the two. Translated an our and abit by plane. Five and ahalf six by train or if you drive it ( mostly because the 401’s a warzone) it would be a good six if not seven hours. Unless of coarse you have a heavy foot, in which case it’s been known to take 4 hours to drive [:O] that usually will mean a non-resident road tax being levied at some point. [:-^][:D]
Dave Aw shucks your making us feel are warm and mushy inside. You sir are quite the fountain of indesputable info as well. Makes as the nice well oiled ( sometimes sporadic ) machine that we here at Our Place are. [tup][tup]
Rob
Okay as promised here’s Classic juice # 13 The rolling stock of the Toronto Civic Railway TCR
Class A (TCR) later class 1 ( TTC )
cars 1-4 later renumbered by the TCR to 120-123 ( 4 cars )
Double truck double end cars two man crew pay-as-you-enter rear entrance front and rear exit cars
Built by McGuire-Cummings ordered nov 1912 in service dec 1912
Wood body composite wood steel underbody. Arched roof cars with steel sheathed ends
L 44’0" W 8’ 9" H 11’ 7"
Class B (TCR) Class H,H1,H2 ( TTC )
Cars 100-119 ( 19 cars )
Built by Niles Car Co ordered aug 1913 delivered dec 13 jan 14
Double truck double end cars pay-as-you-enter rear entrance front and rear exit cras with two man crew
Wood car bodies with a truss rod supported wood and steel underframe
L 45’ 1" W 8’ 6" H 11’ 8"
Class D and Class E ( TCR ) Class F ( TTC )
Cars 50-56 ( class D ) Car 57 ( Class E )
Built by Preston Car and Coach Jan 1915 50-52 October 1915 53-56 Jan 1917 57
Single truck, double end two man pay-as-you enter cars,rear entrance front and rear exit cars
Wood bodies with steel under frame arched roof cars
L ( all cars )34’ 8" (50-52 & 57) L 34’ 0"( 53-56 ) W 8’ 6" H 10’10"
cars 55,57,& 53 a;; survibe and live at our museum
Class F ( TCR ) Class J ( TTC )
cars 200-212 ( 13 cars )
Built by Preston Car and Coach in Feb-MaY 1915
Double truck double end two man pay-as-you-enter cars. rear entrance front rear exit{original} Converted in 1923 to one/two man Nearside safety car config. Front entrabce and exit. Converted again in 1925 to double end pay-as-you pass front entrance rear treadle exit
All steel Arch roof cars
FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS
We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]
Friday has arrived! A good way to “celebrate” the end of the work week (for most) is to draw a cuppa “Joe,” enjoy a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and of course order a breakfast! [yeah]
A special THANX! to all who have continued to Post on a regular basis. It’s not so much the quantity that we’re looking for, it’s quality and you’ve been great with BOTH! [tup][tup][tup]
Politician: Someone who can borrow $20, pay you back $10 and declare you’re even because you both lost $10.
Info for the Day:
(1) Friday is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
(2) Saturday is ENCORE! Day
(3) Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and yes, we are CLOSED!
My guess is that we are NOT going to have much of a Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, there will be a modification to the format – submissions of NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flags are encouraged. [tup] As always, we want to continue limiting the narratives to Monday thru Saturday ……
SUMMARY
Name ………………… Date/Time …………………. (Page#) … Remarks
(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 00:52:26 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.
(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 20