The Big Four Railroad

Although I have a deep interest in Chicago railroads, I know very little about a railroad known as the Big Four. So, I did a bit of research on it.

The Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway (CCC&SL) was a Midwestern railroad that operated as an affiliate of the New York Central. It was commonly referred to as the Big Four. It was formed in 1889 by the merger of four different railroads.

  • Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Indianapolis Railway, the

  • Cincinnati, Indianapolis, St. Louis and Chicago Railway and the

  • Indianapolis and St. Louis Railway.

  • Indiana, Bloomington and Western Railway

The railroad was headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana and operated throughout Indiana and Illinois and parts of Ohio and Michigan.

In 1906, the Big Four was acquired by the New York Central Railroad which operated it as a separate entity until around 1930. It was later incorporated into Penn Central in 1968 and then became part of Conrail in 1976. In 1997, the Big Four was jointly acquired by CSX and NS.

Between 1904 and 1908 the railroad constructed a repair shop for steam locomotives and for passenger and freight cars in Beech Grove, Indiana. The railroad operated a terminal at Bellefontaine, Ohio, that included the largest roundhouse in use at that time between New York City and St. Louis, Missouri. A large yard facility known as the Big Four Yards is located in Avon, Indiana, along the line’s tracks, now owned and operated by CSX.

In 1895, the railroad acquired what became known as the Big Four Bridge across the Ohio River at Louisville, Kentucky, thereby giving it access to that city. Use of the bridge for railroad purposes ceased by 1968.

While the Big Four was primarily a freight railroad, it did operate passenger trains throughout Indiana, as well as paasenger trains into downtown Chicago. A railroad line ran from Indianapolis, Indiana to Kankakee, Illinois where it connected to the Illinois Central tracks. From there passenger trains ran north to Central Station, the Illinois Central station at the southeast end of downtown Chicago. Big Four trains used Central Station until it closed even though in later years it had become an affiliate of the New York Central which used LaSalle Street station.

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Cleveland’s Union Terminal and the nearby “Flats,” where industry was centered fascinated me as a youngster and older. In both places the Big Four had a distinct presence. I knew it was part of the NYC and all, but on the station’s train announcement board and in places along its right of way through the Flats the name Big Four was still to be seen if you knew where to look. Cleveland was proud of this railroad. You could somehow sense it had never been part of city’s favored hometown road, the LS & MS Ry. To me, the Big Four seemed the beeline to Columbus and downstate; better yet, it was the route to St. Louis and the southwest. During my high school years I longed to ride the NYC’s Beeliner, a single Budd car by that time, to Columbus. I never did. I was always more focused on riding to NYC or Chicago.

Two historical facts regarding the Big Four: It was the first railroad in Cleveland. Also, at one point during its construction, in order to keep the state charter, the entire workforce of the railroad in Ohio consisted of one man with a shovel and wheelbarrow who daily plugged away at his task of building the roadbed.

Thanks for posting the Big Four’s corporate history.

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Great memories!

Thanks for posting, NKP_guy.

Rich

And thank you for posting the racing Berkshires video. Awesome!

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Yeah, that was a lot of fun watching.

Rich

As a native Clevelander I also had a fondness for the Big Four. Today, part of their right of way in downtown Cleveland has rapid transit ‘light rail’ laid over it on what is called the Waterfront Line.

The fifth and sixth tracks from the camera (although this is the terminus of the line, the Big Four r-of-w is to the left [west] about a half mile).

On the Cleveland Lakefront by Craig Sanders, on Flickr

The portion between ‘Old Union depot’ and Erie Depot is part of the Waterfront Line.

CLE_map1 by Edmund, on Flickr

A good portion of the western approaches of the Cleveland Union Terminal trackage was Big Four property.

I like to have the Big Four represented on my layout.

Big Four two bay Hopper by Edmund, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

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I just love that stuff, Ed. the photo on the Cleveland waterfront, the track map, the hopper on your layout. Thanks for sharing.

I love when others with personal knowledge and experience contribute to these threads. Quite a learning process for me and, hopefully, for others.

Rich

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I agree with you on the map study. I really enjoy seeing what ‘was’ and how it looks today.
For some reason I have a Big Four map that is ‘cropped’ to show only Ohio. I’ll have to see if I can find out what I did with the original scan, which I did back in 2008!

Big Four crop by Edmund, on Flickr

Note the town of Bellefontaine. Don’t pronounce it like it is written! It is pronounced “Bell Fountain”. The Big Four was known around here for its ‘spindlindly’ looking towers:

Conrail, Marion, OH by d.w.davidson, on Flickr

I wouldn’t want to be up there in a stiff wind!

Train Sign by Todd Dillon, on Flickr

Back when your corporate name as PART of the building really meant something:

Big Four by James House, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

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Here is a bigger route map.

Rich

Source: American-rails.com

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By the way, I love the use of the words Big Four on the train signs and buildings.

Rich

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Ed, you’re becoming a new wanswheel here with your ability to provide great photos regarding any topic at hand. As for that tower in flatland Marion–imagine being up there in a high wind! Also, did any station anywhere have more beautiful and impressive gate signs than those Baroque bronze fixtures in the Union Terminal, shown in the Gary Dillon photo? Thanks for posting these and all the others.

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Big Four had plenty of dedicated Hudsons for their passenger trains – they were notable for not having any water scooping gear, as the Big Four never used track pans…

I believe this is the route the Xplorer was tried on, for its brief shining moment…

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Well now, that’s interesting. Thanks for posting.

Rich

Here it is on what looks like the Hudson Division:

NYC_Xplorer-1956 by Edmund, on Flickr

I believe in timetables it was called “The Ohio Explorer” if I’m not mistaken. Usually it could be seen with an E unit on the head end as the Baldwin-built hydraulic system was often in need of shop work.

NYC, Fairborn, Ohio, 1956 by Center for Railroad Photography & Art, on Flickr

I never heard much discussion about the ride quality, at least not like what passengers reported about the Aerotrain. Much of the ‘Talgo’ pendulum system was adopted for later iterations of ‘tilting’ high speed trains, notably the U-A TurboTrain. The C&O had one or two experimental cars that looked very much like these Xplorer cars. The New Haven also dabbled with a ‘Train-X’ design called the Dan’l Webster.

Cheers, Ed

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I really do love reading the history of different railroads thank you all.

Chuck

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You learn something new every day. I must admit, I never heard of The Ohio Explorer until now. Who knew? Not me.

Rich

Wow, ain’t that something!

Rich

Somehow I like this even better, and just as fast, too!

NYC, Dayton, Ohio, 1955 by Center for Railroad Photography & Art, on Flickr

Still, the railroads made some attempt at trying to regain passengers while still trying to keep speed and economy in mind. The traveling public just weren’t buying it.

NYC, Cincinnati, Ohio, 1956 by Center for Railroad Photography & Art, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

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At Dayton Union Station in west Dayton Ohio.

Chuck

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Great looking photo, amflyer1. Thanks for posting.

Rich

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