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Are there 2 levels of elevated track in the photo?
Yes, the two local track are n the first level, and the bi-directtional, signalled, south in AM, north in PM, express track above.
Its platforms are directly over the local tracks.
This was typical of Manhattan elevated express stations, often called “hump stations.”
125th St., 3rd Ave., was an exception, in that north of the station, the express track continued on an upper level to the upper level of the 4-track double-level bridge over the Harlem River.
See the thread on Remembering the Third Avenue Elevated.
Also, on this thread, one of my previously posted photos shows 199 turning the corner possibly just moments after the screen-shot photo, so unless other information is available, I’ll assume a missing photo has been returned to me.
AT Third Avenue and 65th Street:
Formr 59th Street Manhattan conduit car 628 at a Bronx location to be determined, and ex-Third Avnue Manhattan conduit car 104 entering The Bronx on the 207th Street Fordham Road Crosstown:
What bridge is the trolley crossing? I assume it is over the Harlem River.
Correct, and usually called the 207th Street Bridge.
Third Avenue and E. 86th Street, 124 on the line for which it was built:
Former conduit car 127 on Tremont Avenue Line on Burnside Avenue approaching University Avenue:
Former conduit car replacing convertabils on the 167th Si. Crosstown approaching the Washington Bridge to West 181st Street, Manhattan:
And this previously “unknown location” is on Burnside Avenue west of Webster Avenue.
I presume that is the 3rd Avenue El above the trolley tracks. Which came first, and were they competitors, at least initally?
Correct. First came the horsecar streetcar, Manhattan’s second, after the NY & Harlem on 4th Avenue and lower Park Avenue, ,then came the steam-operated elevated, then conversion of the horsecar line to cable. then cable to conduit electrification, then conversion of the steam elevated line to electricity, then rebuilding of the elevated with a continuous center track, then conversion of the streetcar to bus with tracks above 59th Street kept in service several months for use of the 65th Street shops for Queensboro Bridge cars and K and 125 X put-ins and pull-outs, then abandonment and removal of the elevated.
rc can more easily provide the exact dates.
Note correction to a previous post and insertion of the missing photo.
I presume they were built as competitors. Did they eventually under the same management ?
The Third Avenue line converted to cable in two sections, north of 6th on Dec 4, 1893 and to the Post Office on February 11, 1894. According to Hilton’s “Cable Car in America” it required 4350 tons of iron yokes and 46000 barrels of cement. The cable installation was barely complete before TARS started converting other lines to conduit electric operation. The Third Avenue line was converted in 1899. Among cable lines Third Avenue was considered number two in traffic density, after Chicago’s State Street line.
Midland Mike: All the lines dikscussed in my posting were built as competitors. For a short time, all streetcar lines were leased to the Metropolitan Railway, but reverted to the originsal owners shofrtly after that company entered receivership.
Unification in Manhattan between surface and rapid transit took place well after bus conversion and even after end of the South Ferry - Chatham Square part of the Third Avbenue Elevated.
Conduit cars equipped with poles (1947) on the 161st-163rd St. Crosstown, probably on West 155th Street Manhattan just west of 8th Avenue, the Polo Grounds, and the McdCoombs Dam Bridkge to The Bronx, where 186 is headed, with the end point the destination sign shows as Hunts Point. 127 will get as far as Amsterdam Avenue.
Two on the “T” on Amsterdam Avenue
Conduit car as intended as built on Third AvenueL
Jan. - March 1947 some ex-Broadway-42nd Street “Huffliners” were used on the “K” before being sold to Sao Paulo, Brazil:
While some ex 59th-Street cars got poles and joined the similar cars in The Bronx, here just west of Bruckner and University:
while others sayed as conduit cars a few months more and were used on the Third & Amsterdam line, evntually also getting poles, with some going to Vienna in 1949.
2nd car of a two-car fan-trip, photo from the rear-window of the first car. Not sure whether this is ibna residential section on the Tuckahoe Road line in Yonkers.
Regukar route 8, Riverdale Avenue, car at the south end of this single-track, one passing siding, two car Yonkers line, the north end at Main Street. The difference in paving marks the New York City (The Bronx) - Yonkers boundery. As far as I know, this line never ran south into New York City.
