First postiung from south at City Hall Park Row to Marble Hill for conduit operations, and then hope to post Bronx and Westchester wire opeations. 209 St - 225 St. B’way had both so Bronx cars could access Kingsbridge car house.
Who cares if it doesn’t reflect current operations? Those old photos are cool! Sometimes I think the folks over at “Trains” take this stuff WAY too seriously!
Thanks for posting them David!
My photo of the 65th St. 3rd Ave. main workshop and car house is from a very scratched negative. I did not think the defects would show up as clearly as they have, so I’ve gone to work on it, with some improvement. May be able to do more, but it does take time. Here is a progress report.
Nice clean-up job! Remember the old saying, “The best is the enemy of the good?”
Sometimes just have to go with what’s available.
Here is about as good as I can do within a reasonable amount time. After that we will go north in Manhattan, mostly conduit cars, all the way to Marble Hill 225th St., nprthern end of conduit. Details will wait until the edit button is restored. Future postings will handle The Bronx, including some far south of 225, and then eventually Yonkers and Mt. Vernon.
But converables now have their own thread.
More to come
Dave, as you know, this picture shows the RKO Royal in the Bronx, where the Marx Brothers performed before it became a movie theater.
http://www.nycago.org/Organs/Brx/html/RKORoyalTheatre.html
http://www.marx-brothers.org/acting/vaude_detail.htm?show_id=8
http://www.marx-brothers.org/marxology/home.htm
https://walkingoffthebigapple.blogspot.com/2009/06/long-road-to-big-time-marx-brothers.html
Truthfuly, I did not know the Marx Bros. performed there. I thought they performed in one or more Manhattan venues for the NY area.
Ex-Ogden Avneue car replacing convertable on “C” Bronx-and Van Courtland, on B’way at 238th.
An unuaual photo from the Shore Line Trolley Museum Journal showing Brooklyn early double-truck hand-braked 1792 (still with its work-car sand-car number) on its way to East Haven CT followed by a Subway (241 & Wh. Pl. Rd/Av) - New Rochelle "A’ car of the 301-400 series that were the regulars untl buses came in late 1950, shortly after the photo was taken.
Looking East at West FArms Square, a lighweight bumped by buses from the “O” Ogden Avenue line, replaces a convertable on the “C” Bronx and Van Courtland Parks line, here discharging passengers before proceeding to the crossover on E.177the to change ends.
Dave, the last post had no photo. The post before that had a link to a photo, but it required a password.
Here are both photos:
One photo was an error, already on the Convertable thread.
correct two photos are:
What are we looking at in the bottom photo?
West Farms Square looking west. The lightweigh in the middle track is a gap-filler car, since the “T” Tremont Avenue line runs through. The “v” Williams Bridge line will reverse here, use the crossover, and run on the east side of Bronx Park to Gun Hill Road and White Plains Avenue (Road according the IRT, but not the street sign!). Curve-sided convertables were very rare, mostly scrapped, at the time in Autumn 1947, when this photo was taken. Also, new paint job on 626, probably received when it got its trolley poles earlier that year after transfer from the bussed Manhattan Lines, has the front bottom skirt painted black instead of the regular deep red-maroon as on 676 which alway was a Bronx pole car. Note the standard IRT Low-V cars on the structure in the background. West Farms Square, Boston Road, Southern Boulevard, 177th Street, Tremont Avenue, was served by the “B, C, S, T, V,” and “Z”. West Farms Car House was a few block south and west on Boston Road. Below is a lightweight 388 dischargin all passengers, transfered from Ogden Avenue to the “C” after “O” Ogden, “U” University, and “Z” 180th Street were bussed in March 1947. The convertable thread has “C” reversing on the crossover just east of the Square on E. 177th St.
Now for some Yonkers lines pictures, starting at the end of the Broadway subway line at 242nd sTreet, Van Courtland Park. The 1, 2, lines and their short-turn 3 reversed here, while the C from West Farms Square ran through to 262nd Street, Yonkers City Line.
On Warburton Avenue. Note Nachod signal
Foot of Main Street, Near NY Central Sta.
End of then usable track on Neperhan Avenue, fan trip with one 101-class car, oriignally a conduit car in Manhattan, and one 301-class car, always a Yonkers car. plus regular service line 5 car.
On the service track between the 5 Neperhan Avenue and the 6 Tuckaho Rd lines at the crossing with an industry branch of he Central’s Putnam Division.
Would NY Transit cars run thru into Yonkers, or were they two seperate systems?
The systems were privately owned, and for most of the streetcar history, the Third Avenue Railway System, after 1939 the Third Avenue Transit System, was the real owner of the Yonkers, Bronx, and its Manahattan streetcar lines. The Park Avenue “2,” and the Warbirton Avenue “1” were extended south to meet the IRT at West 242nd Street, Broadway, with the South Broadway line that ran north only to Gettys Square retained as the “3,” really a short-turn for the “1” and “2.” They crossed into The Bronx at the city line, W. 262nd Street, also the north end of Van Courtland Park.
The “4,” McClean Avenue, also ran into The Bronx, connecting with the north end of the Jerome Avenue IRT at Woodlawn Road. Its history is more complex. At one time it crossed Central Avenue, the extension of Jerome Avenue all the way up to White Plains, and turned south on Webster Avenue to run to the north end of the Third Avenue Elevated at Bedford Park, Treemont Avenue. There was also the Jerome Avenue streetcar line, north end at Yonkers Race Track, Yonkers Avenue, that ran south, crossing into The Bronx and continiung south to 161st, then running east over the McCoombs Dam Bridge, with the Ogden Avenue and 161st Street Bronx crosstown to 155th and 8th connecting with the 9th Avenue elevated, later all extended to Amsterdam and 155th. With some abandonments, the “4” took its final form.
The “5” and “6” and “8"” and “9” were Yonkers-only lines. The “7” was a major east-west line running to the Mount Vernon New Haven RR Sta. and connecting with “A” New Rochelle line.
In addition to the 1, 2, 3, and 4 lines from Yonkers entering The Bronx, the A line from the New Rochelle New Haven Station and the B line from the New Haven Mount Vernon Station entered The Bronx at East 261st Street and connected with the White Plains Avenue (Road on IRT subway signs) subway lines at East 241st Street. For some reason the B, but the A, continiued south to East 229th Street.