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This question is about US railroads that operated in Canada. I do know that the Great Northern purchased three switch engines from GM Canada for use at Vancouver, BC. Were the switch engines and road units that operated on the MC (NYC) and Wabash/NW also purchased in Canada? As information, the GN paid duty on about six or eight Geep’s and three cabooses to run from Seattle to Vancouver. Did I miss any other railroads?
Ed Burns
For quite some time the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo was co-owned by Canadian Pacific and New York Central. It operated a couple of “very-Central-looking” Hudson 4-6-4s and also operated a couple of “what-an-NYC-Berksire-would-have-looked-like” 2-8-4s.
A TH&B Hudson:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/th&b-502.jpg
A TH&B Berkshire:
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http://www.nfrm.ca/images_galleries/images_thb/thb201MontroseRdthmb.jpg
These were all built in Canada, along with one Wabash GP7. When people say N&W did not have F Units you can tell 'em ‘balderdash’ these were painted into N&W colours. Posted a picture of those on the Quiz over at Classic a while back.
664 part of 20 unit order F7A built as 1155, 1155A to 1164, 1164A
(A125 - A144 11/1950 - 3/1951) this was C-106 the sixth order for GMD.
670 part of 20 unit order 657-676
Also check out 'A Geeps Tale" on Classic Trains, go back one page . We did a lot on there on this subject.
C&O/PM also operated thru the southern Ontario short-cut.
There were D&H trains to Montreal.
New York Central also had a line to Montreal coming up the south side of Lake Ontario. CSX still operates it for now.
NYC also had a line to Ottawa. Maine Central had a line up into Quebec north of Beecher Falls, VT., and another line that wandered over the New Brunswick border.
Delaware & Hudson, Boston & Maine, MEC, Penn Central (NYC), Chessie System, Conrail, Wabash. Montreal, Maine & Atlantic…
BNSF (BNSF Manitoba Ltd) still operates a one unit switcher and has a small yard in Winnipeg. CN handles their traffic to the parent at Emerson / Noyes.
What is the number of the BNSF ML unit in Winnipeg? Was is built in Canada?
Miningman, yes the NW did have cab units, but they were on the rosters of the Wabash and NKP. Before those mergers, the NW did not have cab units.
Ed Burns
That is correct.
Norfolk and Western
Norfolk and Western acquired the Wabash in a 1964 complex merger that included three other US roads.
Another three US roads were also merged and then in 1982 Southern was merged to form Norfolk Southern.
In 2011 NS ended the old Wabash perpetual running rights due in a large part to a loss of traffic.
CN insisted NS continue to operate across the border at Fort Erie to perform interchange.
NW 3453 ex Wabash 453 GMD A148 1/1951 Only road switcher built for Canadian service.
CN diesel shop Fort Erie. N&W 3657 first unit of a 20 unit order. ex Wabash 657 nee 1155.
GMD A125 November 1950
Whatever engine BNSF sends up there from Grand Forks.
The Great Northern and the Northern Pacific had lines into Brandon and Portage la Prairie in Manitoba as well as the line into Winnipeg (the reason BNSF has a job in Winnipeg still).
BNSF of Manitoba (formerly Midland Ry of Manitoba as a joint GN/NP subsidiary) did have its own GP9. I believe that it was built in London.
That GP9 is now at the Prairie Dog Central.
There is a map of the Pere Marquette system, which crosses from Michigan into Ontario at Port Huron and Detroit, MI, then crosses back over to the US at two river crossings into Buffalo, NY. I believe the Pere Marquette RR acquired the Canadian route in January 1903. C&O finally swallowed PM in 1947, so I don’t think they had any service into Canada prior to that. I can’t seem to upload the map for you here. The Pere Marquette started out as the Flint & Pere Marquette, with service from Bay City, MI to Flint opened in January 1862.
And NYC’s Adirondack Division extended north from Saranac Lake Junction via Malone into Canada. That track was ripped up. The rest of the Adirondack Division today is the Adirondack Scenic that operates between Utica-Thendara, and Lake Placid-Saranac Lake with with out of service track in between. Litigation over a senseless rail/trail fight continues affecting track north of Tupper Lake,.
Grand Trunk went out of Chicago to Toronto, rode it with my parents. I think it might have been owned by CN or some kind of partnership, but GT was considered an American RR.
Chicago to both Detroit and Saint Clair, with Canadian National continuing on from St. Clair to Toronto and further east, was Grand Trunk Western, a USA railroad owned by Canadian National.
Grand Trunk was also a USA railroad owned by Canadian National, running from south of Montreal to Portland, Maine.
They often swapped equipment, ditto with another USA railroad owned by Canadian National, the Central Vermont, from again south of Montreal to New London, Connecticut, with connection there to both the New Haven and its own steamship line to New York City. The steamship line was discontinued when war commenced in 1939.
In the 1970’s I not only enjoyed steam excursions out of Detroit on the Grand Trunk Western, but also served as a car-host crew-member for steam trips out of New London on the Central Vermont run by Branford Electric Ry. Assoc. The latter usually had Grand Trunk coaches with a Grand Trunk Western or Canadian National steam locomotive, usually a 4-8-4.
The Mowhawk was the Grand Trunk Western’s answer to the Perlman degrading of the New York Central’s Chicago - Detroit service, with a competitive running time, despite the longer rout via Durand, and a very good dining car.
The last Grand Trunk pasenger service was Friday and Sunday afternoon-evening coach and parlor Portland - Montreal service. No diner, but parlor-car passengers could by sandwiches and hot tea and coffee and cold drinks, possibly wine and beer but unsure of that. This also provided the last Boston - Montreal service after the Alouette CP & B&M two-car RDC train was finally dropped. One could ride the 1pm B&M Budd RDC train to Portland. taxi to the Grand Trunk station and ride its Friday evening train to Montreal. Interestingly, the Grand Trunk parlor car carried the name Alouette!
Of course, the flagship of the Grand Trunk Western was the International Limited, Chicago - Toronto, coaches, sleepers, diner, and lounge. F
Sunnyland:
The Grand Trunk Western, Duluth, Winnipeg, and Pacific, and the Central Vermont were US subsidaries of the Canadian National Railroad probably due to US regulations.
Ed Burns
The Central Vermont had lines to Cantic and St. Johns, Quebec, prior to control by Grand Trunk (c.1898). They were acquired in part to block the Canadian Pacific from entering their territory.
In British Columbia Great Northern had lines from Eureka Montana to the Crowsnest pass coal mines at Fernie and Michel. Also a line from Bonners Ferry to Kuskanook on Kootenay Lake(The sKuskanook tation stood until wiped out by mudslide early 2000’s) This line connected to an extensive sternwheeler system on Kootenay lake and an ophaned narrow gauge line from Kaslo to Sandon silver mines. Lines from Kettle Falls Wash. to Nelson and Grand Forks parts of which still exist under short lines. A line from Curlew Wa. on the Grand Forks line to Oroville that criss-Crossed the border several time and continued on to Princeton B.C. The GN built the line from Princeton to Brookmere jointly used by Kettle Valley and had running rights on CP’s Kettle Valley over Coquihalla Pass but never used. Also had line running east from New Westminster to near Hope. this was to be a through Vancouver to Spokane route via Princerton-Orville-Grand Forks-Kettle Falls.