SO,…supposing that CSX went bust, and Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern decided to split the spoils, what concessions would they have to give BNSF to make them happy?
Is that the curiosity that is really driving this thread?
Interesting…endgame…
LC
Talk about oil and water. That is like asking UGA to love GA Tech
It sounds like a lot of wishful thinking on somebody’s part, especially if that somebody doesn’t like the hometown railroad. There doesn’t seem to be any indication that CSX (or any other Class 1) is going to file under Chapter 11 in the foreseeable future so who knows how this rumor started.
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Yes, I realize that the scenario I outline is imported (from “farfetchedland”)
I was simply trying to manufacture a scenario where the initial premise of the guy’s story might actually happen.
Clearly, the gov’t would not allow NS to become the sole class 1 in the east, so “the borg” came to mind as a possible entity willing to to split the spoils with NS.
And ya gotta admit,…IF the forgoing were to happen…BNSF would have to be appeased, in some fashion. A “gimme” here, a “gimme” there, etc.
NS could accomodate that since it has kept some of it’s redundant routes operational, after aquisition.
Again, al six of the biggies are profitable today and should stay so. The Government wants them to be profitable and will do a lot to insure that they will stay so. They have every right to lobby for real estate tax relief. They have every right to demand subsidization of unprofitable social service services they perform. They have every right to charge the military the same rates they charge commercial customers. I don’t expect them to demand any of these benefits as long as they can be profitable without them.
Yeah I heard it still operates around Philadelphia, Detroit, and New Jersey. at least that’s the best sense I could make of what i read on Conrailcorp.com. Such a sin, 7 years later and I still loathe NS.
NS bring back conrail? UNLIKELY! good idea though…
The have a full run-down on which lines / areas they serve on http://www.conrail.com/
I still hold that buying the KCS will be the starting gun for the last and final race of the great railroad mergers of the modern era. As I see it BNSF/KCS/NS (A well run new company built on 3 great traditions), UP/CN/CSX (A train wreak with to many chiefs) and CP with friendly connections with the Santa and 2 S’s. Off the wall of course but so was BN and ATSF at one time.
I agree that KCS will be the “flashpoint” of the last great round of mergers. NS probably does too, which I think was at least part of the impetus behind their joint venture with KCS on the Meridian Speedway. I’ve often wondered why BNSF and NS didn’t buy KCS, abandon the trackage thru the Ozarks north of Hope, AR, and reroute the traffic on their routes.
The combinations you list could provide some interesting railroad names. The Burlington Norfolk? The Kansas City and Everywhere Else? The list is nearly endless.
Since the railroad companies have chosen to discard all those placenames with a ring, e.g. Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe, Erie Lakawanna, Rock Island, Montpelier, Chesapeake, Susquehanna, etc., how about a more practical choice like “Acme Railroad” or “A Railroad”? That way a potential customer won’t have to go though all those pages of railroad companies. It’s well-known that having your name first in the Yellow page listings increases your chances of being called cold. [:D]
When the BNSF and CN merge they are going to use the name “North American Railroad”. And we all know what the other name will be…“Union Pacific”
And this too shall pass.
The agreed to time frame to allow CR to function has passed, and NS and CSX are deciding how to finish off Big Blue. Although, it seems like they are taking a long time to do so…maybe they are having a change in heart.
This “Shared Assets Area” is where Conrail shined … on time railroading in extremely dense, urban areas. Relatively small yards, no room for passing sidings, but lots of car loads.
Greg
How about something original,like perhaps; The East, Gulf and Western Coasts (EG&WCs), The Burlington Kansas City & Southern (BKC&S) or the grandaddy of them all The Atichson, Topeka, Santa fe ,Kansas City Southern and Norfolk Southern (ATSKCSNS) a true alphabet route if you will. But frankly I think Something like Pacfic, Gulf and Eastern (PGE) is a more likely name.
Sorry, lion, but the PGE reporting marks are the property of Canadian National, which inherited them from BCRail, which began life as the Pacific Great Eastern, PGE! How about bringing back the New York Central, or PRR? Hey,gang, Lets bring back the Lehigh Valley, while we’re at it! It has an equal chance at returning along with the DL&W main, East Stroudsburg, PA to Dover, NJ!
We both better be carefull here, it might sound like we’re ranting and raving for something from the past to be placed in a future that is by nature uncertian but it is fun to speculate about
Actually, the company is now called ‘Conrail Shared Assets’ and provides service in the Philly, and Detroit areas, as well as most of the state of New Jersey for it’s parent companies, NS and CSX. I still see alot of Conrail power here in the Syracuse area, usually as run-through power on all sorts of trains. I also see CN, NS, UP, and BNSF run-through power as well.
JP
And that’s why we’re here. It is wishful thinking to think CSX or any other large railroad would be allowed to fail, considering the effect of this on the rest of the industry . Being as serious as I can, NS has no interest in CSX’s part of what was Conrail. CSX would be auctioned off and further divided if it were to fail. That having been said, CSX has made more than a few mistakes, so has UP, both are doing well enough that one has heard any cries from management such as are being heard by members of the UAW in facilities owned by Delphi, Diamler-Chrysler, Ford, GM and Visteon! Now, railroads that rely on traffic from the auto makers and their suppliers are worried, very worried about the auto industry these days. They recall what happened when the steel industry “restructured”. That was the end of the P&LE. Larger carriers had to struggle to regain lost revenue. They all managed to do it, by varying means, eventually. The recovery process won’t be easy but Conrail, CSX and NS recovered from the “death” of the traditional Steel industry. All the major carriers would find ways to recover the lost revenue, but this process will take time. Now, will investors have the patience to let the recovery occur?
Still, isn’t Conrail coming back in my TRS22 EAS Scenario?