No worry about hijacking the thread. This is an interesting turn of events to suggest the possibility of a slate roof. Hard to say from the photos, but here is a zoomed in look at the roof and at the siding. But, I am still thinking asphalt shingles. Michael and I talked early on about modeling the snow guards but decided against it because the snow guards would be barely visible anyhow.
Rich
Hey Mike:
Iām inclined to agree with you about the snow birds.
Can you post the links to the other pictures you found? As an ex roofing salesperson Iām really curious to see what was done with the roof over time. If they ended up with that many snow birds they must have been suffering some serious problems.
Again, Rich -sorry for going [#offtopic]
Dave
Rich:
After looking at your very clear close-up of the roof, Iām going to suggest that the shingles are indeed slate.
Here is my reasoning:
First, the shingles are far too thick to be asphalt. There is clearly a lot of depth to them.
Second, where the snow birds have been inserted under the shingles, the shingles are not sagging around the snowbirds as I had originally thought. The bottoms of the shingles clearly are straight.
I think that if you can find some suitable slate shingle roofing you should go for it. The added texture will look great IMHO.
This has been a lot of fun!
Thanks
Dave
Photos of the Coors family mansion seem to be few and far between on the Internet. Michael acually shot his photos with a high quality digital camera and telephoto lens.
Rich
It could be that the roof was re-shingled, the newer shingles covering the older shingles. I am not sure that it matters though whether the roof is slate or asphalt shingle. In HO scale, the individual pieces of slate or shingle are not going to be all that distinguishable.
Rich
Well, Google Maps, Golden CO. shows a great top view. Lots more angles and dormers on the side facing the factory. And when you Google Coors mansion, you see of ā¦umā¦very interesting pictures, but only a couple of this mansion. One of the pictures is from RR Picture Archives.
Rich just posted the best roof picture, and yes they do look like shingles, but the tabs are a lot longer than the regular 3 tab shingle. What ever they are made from, at least you know what type of pattern that needs to be created to look like this roof.
Mike.
I am getting ready to order the materials today. These are the asphalt shingles that we are considering.
http://www.hobbylinc.com/plastruct-asphalt-roofing-shingles-gray-model-railroad-scratch-supply-91636
Rich
I tried to zoom in even more on the photo provided to me by Michael. On my photo, which is clearer than the one posted here, it seems as if the material bends up against that roof vent rather than butting up to it, which suggests shingles. Plus, a lot of curled up edges. Also, there is a āpatternā that is apparent throughout the roof.
Rich
I think the shingles you posted look good, Rich. About as close as your going to get. I found these at MicroMark:
http://www.micromark.com/medium-gray-roof-shingle-paper-4-sheets-ho-scale,8398.html
Mike.
Mike, the shingles from MicroMark look very good, and we did consider those for our project. Ultimately, we decided to go with the Plastruct product because a single sheet of shingles is perfectly sized so that we wonāt need to cut and fit multiple sheets together.
Rich
Right on, Rich. I hope you keep us posted on your progress!
Mike.
Will do. By the way, here are a couple of photos of the foam board mockup. A bit crude, but if gave me the necessary dimensions and angles. Some stuff like the skylight and dormer are not there but I have taken them into account. Just placed the order so there is no turning back.
Rich
FYI, Rich, hereās a link to Google Earth View, showing all of the dormers and roof lines.
ttps://www.google.com/maps/place/Golden,+CO/@39.7620127,-105.2128564,43m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x876b981287686cf7:0x14c64654208055dc!6m1!1e1
Mike.
EDIT: Oops! didnāt come out as a live link.
EDIT 2: It does work with copy & paste.
Ya when I took those photos last week. I couldnāt get very close to the facilty because its private property. So I had to find a spot that was pretty far away from it. And I used my telephoto lens.
Yep, we hope to have something very similar. In the interest of selective compression, we will only do one dormer and eliminate a lot of the rear side detail, but we intend to do the prototype justice.
Here is the clickable link to the overhead shot:
Rich
Iām not sure that public tours involve this building or not. There may certainly be marketing or other internals events. Some attorney may have gotten involved. Hard to say, but the decision to use so many may have been due to such concerns, rather than actual problems.
Another thing is that Golden gets snow, but is also low enough that it warms back up to melt it a lot of the time. Plus it may be a south-facing roof on that side? This could contribute to issues with ice, etc sliding off more on this visible side than elsewhere.
Rich:
The mock up looks good. It definetly conveys the impression of a stately home. The slightly steeper roof actually looks more mansion-like than the original.
If I can suggest, the chimney is a bit too large, but Iām sure you will work out those details as the building progresses.
Dave
OK, just to hijack the thread once more, Iām pretty sure those are not asphalt shingles. They are slate. The tabs are too far out of alignment to be asphalt.
That explains a couple of things.
First, slate is slippery so snow slides of easily, hence the proliferation of snow birds.
Second, Iāll bet they had a ton of problems with leakage. Slate is not suited to a 5/12 pitch. It is too easy for water to back up into the shingles and run into the house. I suspect the number of snow birds was an attempt to stop the leakage, which, by the way, they wouldnāt do. In fact they would make things worse.
[#offtopic] Again! Slap my hand!
Rich - you are right. Nobody will know the difference if you use asphalt shingles.
Dave
A properly done slate roof is quite heavy being three or four slates thick all the way up to the ridge.
Its one of the few scratch built model roofs you really have to do it properly where individual 2āX1ā slates are individualy laid and well beaten tooth paste tube used for the flashing for it to look right all on a sub roof sheet.
Absalute PITA to do but for a foreground building well worth the effort when the paint shades are right for the area modeled.
regards John
The Coors grandson was kidnapped and murdered in 1960. I suspect that is why there are so few pictures of the house.